>Jim also said he makes it in a bread machine. I wonder if hand kneading >the dough might give one Hunan hand? > The answer is, yes indeedy, tho I must admit I found the tingling feeling while I was making the bread a "most stimulating" feeling! It wore off reasonably fast, and no major injuries later on due to forgetfulness <thank you El Grande for being merciful!> and the results were well worth it. The V8 addition gave it a lovely color and flavor. I also made a great version using chipotles instead of habs and the smokey flavor was unbelievable... Debbie, do try The Bread for a pizza crust! Whoo wee! Diane