Tried 'em all, and found the best way is to take a garden hose and blast 'em off the leaves. It usually takes them several weeks before they return in any great numbers, a lot longer then they've stayed away with any sprays. -- Tony Lill, Tony.Lill@AJLC.Waterloo.ON.CA President, A. J. Lill Consultants fax/data (519) 650 3571 539 Grand Valley Dr., Cambridge, Ont. N3H 2S2 (519) 241 2461 --------------- http://www.ajlc.waterloo.on.ca/ ---------------- "Welcome to All Things UNIX, where if it's not UNIX, it's CRAP!"