John let me note in advance that I am not a list manager, just a member of the chile head list--so this is a private response to your recent posting. I don't have Rael's sense of humor, so this is pretty direct. don't use the chile head list for financial gain, not to advertise commercial products, nor product endorsement where you have a financial interest. If you've been reading the email list, you know we are very careful to not do those kinds of things; we are a group of friends and enthusiasts, cooks and readers, researchers and consumers. the closest thing recently is Calvin's offer to send out free samples of his powder, with the operational word being free. before that, Jim Campbell sent out "free" samples of his bread. hmm, now there's an idea--are you offering to send out free samples??? if you want to do something "cheap" by way of marketing, buy a web site and see if you can join the ring of fire. doug faust