Indeed El Grande be praised. The Burpee's Heirloom cataloge has chiltepin plants for sale as well as an interesting plant called "Hot Lemon". It is billed as a "very hot pepper" found "in an outdoor market in Ecuador" "delightfully flavorful in the green stage. Its aroma is spicy, with a hint of pine woods, and it is a hot as any Cayanne." I ordered 3 Lemon and 3 Chiltepin. At $4.95 per 3 pack, the cost of this addiction continues to grow. Lets see, $10.00 for Burpee's hot pepper plants another $10.00 for tomato plants (have to make salsa with the peppers). $5.00 for pepper seeds from Shepherds, 30 some to Cross Country Nurseries for more pepper plants. Another 5 or 10 to Johnny's for Boldog Hungarian and Paprika Supreme. What does that come to?