Kevin wrote: I too hate frames. On topic - I've decided to do most of my pepper gardening in pots from now on. Even though my bed garden is only 30 feet from the back door, I'm finding that I have much better control over my plants if they are potted and sitting on the deck. My potted habs are several inches taller than the ones in the bed. I guess the TLC may come a little easier when I'm immediately surround by El Grande's munificence. Kevin, this could very well be due to the fact that in your pots the soil gets warmer. This has been shown to accelerate growth in plants (I'm not sure where it was shown, so you'll juts have to believe me). _________________________________________________________ Anton Schoenbacher Programmer/Analyst Western Wireless Corp. anton.schoenbacher@wwireless.com 425-313-7040