[CH] Red Savina & Hab's won't ripen. Are the seeds still viable?

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Here's what I have so far:

The Hab's actually produced a few orange pods. But frost is coming soon
and the plants are loaded with green pods. The Red Savina plants got a
late start this year. The plants are gorgeous and loaded with pods, but
none have ripened. The pods on the Red Savina have "stretch marks" that
sort of look like tree bark.

I guess the questions I'm having trouble figuring out are:

How can I tell when It's OK to pick these pods? My only concern is I'd
like to get some viable seeds that I can use for next years garden.

Is there some way to force the fruit to ripen? I'm hoping somebody will
have a trick like "store apples with your bananas to make the bananas
ripen".

Thanks for any suggestions anyone can offer.

Rick in St Louis............................

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