Great descriptions, Chuck! I now have the image I need to look for golden needles again. I'm pretty sure this must be the missing component in my soup. Thanks for the tips. FWIW, when I made mine I didn't have pork stock that the recipe called for. I improvised like Andy B does. I used half chicken and half beef canned stock that I reduced somewhat (used the low sodium kind). I also quickly browned the pork tenderloin strips (that had been marinating in cornstarch, sesame oil and soy sauce) in the wok with some peanut oil and a dash of mushroom soy (Pearl River Bridge brand is best IMO) to get nice browned edges but still tender strips. When I added it to the stock reduction it made a nice rich soup base that seemed like a pretty good faux pork stock, too. The first day I used just the sambal-badjak (chile paste oil) the recipe called for. I really preferred the extra flavor the hab gave it the next day. Guess I'll have to make another batch with all the necessary ingredients soon. Deb in Houston Charles Demas wrote: (snip) > As a visualization, imagine an easter lily before it opened, cut off and > dried. It would shrivel up un diameter, but stay long.