Somewhat off (perhaps way off) subject. Spam: about 25% of mine is some variation on: GET YOUR WEBSITE TO THE TOP OF THE LIST ON OVER ONE GAZILLION SEARCH ENGINES FOR ONLY $$$$$$$$!!!!! (Brooklyn Bridge extra $$$$.) I am in no way affiliated with any of the below, just thought it might be worthwhile to those willing to spend the time to scope it out. Please email me back directly with any comments or flames ("Rank" and "Rank This" bring a lot tempting possibilities to mind) so we don't further clutter the CH list. Thanks. Art ~~~ For those of you CH-ers that are marketing online, here's a site that gives you all the same advice, and more, for free: The 12/23/98 Dummies daily internet tip says: DO YOU RATE? If you have a website, you ought to visit this page. Want to know where - or if - your Web site turns up in a search on particular keyword phrases? Rank This, at http://www.rankthis.com can tell you in about 30 seconds. [Art: I found it to be a whole lot slower.] Just enter the keyword(s) in question in the SEARCH KEYPHRASE box (mandatory), your URL in the URL TO RANK box (currently optional) and don't check the INCLUDE SUB-PAGES box {optional, unless you want (a lot of extra hits) to see how each individual page at each site is positioned by the search engine}; then click one of the following ten search engines buttons: Yahoo, AltaVista, Excite, (WebCrawler), Infoseek, Lycos, GoTo, HotBot, Snap & Planet Search. Rank This tells you whether your site appears in the first 200 results, shows you the top ten results, and even lets you review the entire list of sites found in each search. ~~~ The Rank This! Guide to Search Engines page at: http://www.rankthis.com/guide.html sez: Surveys have found that 99% of all Internet users use at least one of the eight major search engines to find something they are looking for. If your web site is not found among the first 200 results of a search engine query then the odds your web site being found are close to non-existent. Why? Most search engines only display the first ten or twenty results to the keywords you used to find something. When was the last time you clicked on "Next Ten" more than four or five times to find a web site that contains the information you were looking for? Let's face it, humans are impatient: We want our information now! This guide covers some of the basic elements to consider when trying to get your web site listed or indexed towards the top of any major search engine. Before we begin let's go over some basics. How most Search Engines work http://www.rankthis.com/guide/engines.html Your HTML code http://www.rankthis.com/guide/yourhtml.html Doing it right the first time http://www.rankthis.com/guide/doright.html Using META Tags http://www.rankthis.com/guide/metatags.html Patience is a Virtue http://www.rankthis.com/guide/patience.html Other Sources of Info & Advice http://www.rankthis.com/guide/other.html We also have some "search engine specific" advice on how to move up in the ranks: tips for Yahoo http://www.rankthis.com/guide/yahoo.html tips for AltaVista http://www.rankthis.com/guide/altavista.html tips for Excite http://www.rankthis.com/guide/excite.html tips for WebCrawler http://www.rankthis.com/guide/wecrawler.html tips for Infoseek http://www.rankthis.com/guide/infoseek.html tips for Lycos http://www.rankthis.com/guide/lycos.html tips for Hotbot http://www.rankthis.com/guide/hotbot.html tips for Open Text http://www.rankthis.com/guide/opentext.html Should you want a complete understanding of how search engines work and all the details regarding each of the major search engines, we strongly suggest you check out WebPromote Top Ranking Guide ($95) at http://www.webposition.com/ It's packed with everything you need to know about each search engine as well as information on other free resources used to promote your web site. Also included in this guide are tips and tricks that exceed the boundaries of conventional marketing. [Art: Gee, I wonder who's sponsoring Rank This; cheaper - I don't have any idea whether either of them is any good - is the s/w free for a trial at: http://www.webposition.com/ ] You can also subscribe to a newsletter of tips and techniques for improving your rank and you can also join in a discussion group. ~~~ Sorry for the intrusion, CH-ers, but, for those who are selling online, this looks like it might be worth investing a little learning time in. I wouldn't personally blow $95 for unseen s/w unless it was burning a big hole in my pocket AND I could write it off as a business expense. ~~~~ Art