Thanks to all of you who responded. We're not out of the woods yet. If you go to the secure order page, https takes you to the secure side of the Internet Service Provider, and the little padlock shows up. Unfortunately the program which receives the order and sends it to me is not located on the secure side, so if you press the send order button you go to a program located at http, the padlock unlocks, and you're back out in unsecure cyberspace. I think this has to be fixed by the server's operations staff and they won't be in till tomorrow. What a learning experience! Dave Anderson Tough Love Chile Co. http://www.tough-love.com e-mail Chilehead@tough-love.com