Kids, About nursery containers: The nurseries I worked at called these "cans" and sized them by gallon capacity. Yes, most places are fighting to get rid of them, so if you ask somewhere and they want to sell them, go on down the road. Just be aware of some risk of bringing a plant disase or pest into your gardens, unless you sterize them. As for feeding chickens: Not long ago I heard a news story about a plan to feed tumeric to chickens, to improve the color of the meat. The reporter kept asking whether this made the meat taste like curry - arrgh! got to sit that person down and explain that curry flavor does not come from tumeric. Still, I often see some _really_ yellow chicken meat, and I wonder. Thanks, Mark S., for adding my page to your list (http://www.angelfire.com/oh/alexsleaves). Andy Barnhart wrote: "I'm not sure that we CHers have established any calibration reference for what a real CH is." Oh, I can't resist. With tongue in cheek, I offer these suggested guidelines. Before a person even reaches level one, there must be a conscious decision made to seek out hot flavor. From there ... Group One 1. You decide to risk all the consequences and put one dash of Lousiana hot sauce in your big pot of chili. 2. You are willing to put a dash of Tabasco sauce into a meal often enough to finish out the bottle just as the sauce is turning from red to brown. 3. You are crazy enough to use one entire Taco Bell sauce packet in a cheap lunch (3a for mild; 3b for hot). 4. You order an Asian restaurant dish made with a few hot peppers, but you are sensible enough to fish out the peppers and leave them on the plate. 5. You order the same dish and eat at least one of the peppers, seeking the thrill. You have now crossed the middle line. Group Two 6. You begin to try hot sauces you have never heard of before, and develop an interest in discovering new flavors and aromas. 7. You gradually rationalize that blurred vision and ringing in the ears is a normal component of eating a meal. 8. You make a hobby of asking various restaurants to make a dish "hot" for you, and compare their efforts. 9. When you were a child, you used to loosen pizza-shop pepper shaker lids so the peppers would dump out on someone's food. Now you do it to yourself. 10. You awaken under a table, surrounded by the familiar yellow boots of paramedics, and your first thought is "I hope I didn't spill the powder this time." Alex Silbajoris 72163.1353@compuserve.com get a vial with a lid that snaps itself shut, I say