Andy Barnhart wrote: I'm not sure that we CHers have established any calibration reference for what a real CH is. I'm not sure it matters, but is is fun to contemplate. E.g. How many teaspoons of hab powder would put in your vanilla malted? (Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.) Andy _____________________________________________________________ Luke in Oz replied; Waal when "the little motor thing" in the milkshake maker starts a smokin, I know I can get in another 3-4 teaspoons before it stops and I have to use a electric drill with a paddle to stir it in.. <VFWBG> ______________________________________________________________