-> Golly gee. I've combined organic methods with petrochemical assists for -> thirty-five years. No one's unhealthy at my house and we depend on the -> garden for most (in season) fresh vegetables. x Right on. If chemical fertilizers used correctly (and that does usually mean lightly) are so inadmissable, how come my grandmother fed a family of nine superbly and produced prizewinning tomatoes and peppers off the same patch of ground for 20 years with no diminution in quality, quantity or anyone's health? How come my mom's garden had better than 30 kinds of perennials in traffic-stopping profusion for 30 years? And how come I had more chiles and tomatoes last year than I could eat from ground that has been chemically fertilized and chemically-everything- elsed here in the heart of the city for better than 40? x Sure it would be nice to go totally organic. I'm sure I'd feel all warm and righteous and earth-motherish. But I'm a disabled gardener with limited physical stamina and on a fixed income...so what am I supposed to do, just not garden at all till I can do it the One True Way? :) x -> Like Scott, I feel a little scolded when a fellow chile grower announces to -> the list that stone, concrete, or other alleged inerts are the "only" way -> to go when creating raised beds. x Me too, especially since it just isn't true. :) x Keep on rockin' *however* you choose to grow chiles, Rain @@@@ \\\\\