Well, for the moment, I give up. I'm setting this list to nomail till the politics, the TMV wars and all the general off-topic unpleasantness that has swamped us lately subside a bit (wasn't anybody listening to Michael's request?) and the conversation is at least mainly back to chiles. This used to be a fun, friendly place for a chilehead to be; I hope it is again soon. x Rain @@@@ \\\\\