Fellow Ch.D.s, If it's seeds and you want quality, you go to Dave Anderson, and Celeste who never posts, at ToughLove. He doesn't quibble, he stands behind seeds that germinate and die (though he'll argue that an exhaust pipe is not a good germination medium), and if it's plants that you want, you go to the Chilewoman unless exorbitant shipping costs turn you on. Any plant or seed supplier who exceeds the Consumer Reports percentage for shipping will never get an order, nor (obviously) an endorsement from me. Further, I will NOT disclaim anything. If you think they're paying me off to say nice things, then sue me. I met both of them on this list, they have astounded me with their level of customer service, and I will NOT play some latter day PC game disclaiming anything. "Usual disclaimers..." etc., indeed. Talk about list pollution. As if disclaiming being a cheat or a liar means anything when a liar says it. Hey, Byron, how tall are your seedlings? Hey, Doug, did Marie turn you down on your anniversary? Hey, Cameron, how's the botulism? Chuck and Mark, ever think of switching houses? Man, it's getting really slow here! And for all you Mango lovin' recent posters (and imposters) wait till I tell you about becoming a Super Bowl hero without even dressing for the game (right, Green 56, Blue 25, hut, hut?) Mango salsa with Ralph's Righteous - my gawd, they wanted to make me king. (Aside, doesn't this seem a bit lengthy? - Alarums, stage left). Methinks that I must take my leave. "When yellow leaves, or none, or few do hang; upon the boughs that shake against the cold; bare ruin'd choirs where late the sweet birds sang." (Shhhhhhh, the birds are back and singing, it's almost planting time....) Gareth the Shakespearean ChileKnight