http://www.lehmans.com/ They sell a lot of non-electric stuff, many many items to the local Amish. I got my meatgrinder from them. It's not so off-topic, not only can you grind meat for things like chili, but for sausages (to which you add chiles from your garden of course, and then smoke in your smoker!), like some 'Pods point out. -babs (who has yet to perfect sausage, alas) -- "Excuse me while I dance a little jig of despair."