BTW Cameron I met a "Master Gardener" on another list, who has never grown a thing in her life. When you are ready to start growing I will give you this "Experts" Address. Another "Master Gardener" suggested that for the best compost, the pile should turned every 2 days. Me Old Geyser, Me pile 'em up, let it sit for a year. Bury the lumps in the spring, save the fine stuff for mulch Turning a million lbs every 2 days, I can hear Gareths hernia from here. DENISTY of compost, I guess you will have to take the intregal from bone dry to 100% saturated in .001 steps. Of about 500 different things that could be used. From Carrot stalks to cow flops. Byron