Hi Bob, I saw the seed for these plants in Johnny's Selected Seeds. The pepper described as maturing from green to red and is long kinda like an Ancho. The flesh is described as being sweet while the ribs hold the heat. They are supposed to be great on the grillI was not able to get the seeds from them due to crop failure. I didd get the seeds from Greenweb but they did not germinate either time. I started them the same way that I did other peppers I got from them and they did fine. I know that Cross Country Nursery had the plants, but have sold out. I have checked al the local garden centers around here and the have never heard of them. One of the locals from our Farmers Market said that he is willing to get some of the seed and try them for next year. Doesn't help me for this year, however. Angel