Hi C-H's First I apologize for prolonging the off topic debate about beer. FWIW Mark McHugh is close in that in the UK and Eire: >......a generic term for Ale mixed with >either a Porter or a Stout. There is no definitive black and tan. If you like Mackeson and Killian's together it is still a black and tan. (Although I would not drink anything from the Adolf Coors so-called "brewery".) Let that be an end to it. The Digest is a mess. If you don't know how to cut and paste please do not post messages. If you do know how to cut and paste take a look at your submission before you hit the "send" key. If the quoted text is longer than your contribution you have some editing to do! Cardinal mode off. If you want to talk about beer and peppers, has anyone made a chipotle porter? -- --- Regards, Cameron.