Steve, I've been toying with making a BBQ sauce for a couple of years. What I have in mind is a BBQ gravy. A beef stock based BBQ sauce. I hit on one last year and only wish I'd written down notes. I used homemade beef stock but you could use the canned or paste stuff just watch for salt, I would not use the cubes. Here's basically what I did. In butter sweat diced onion, carrot, and celery. I used a lot of veggies for the amount of sauce I was going for. When the veggies are soft but not browned add garlic and a handful of ripe habs. Cook briefly. At this point add a can of tomato paste and cooked until really thick, being careful not to burn. Add beef stock and simmer for 1 to 1 1/2 hours or more, skimming the top. (I added more habs as it cooked because it just didn't seem hot enough.) When the veggies have turned to mush and the stock has reduced, strain the mixture. Add red wine vinegar, molassas, a little brown sugar, celery seed, wooosthesire sauce, and if its still not hot, hab flakes. Let this cook on a very low heat for 15 minutes. When I did mine it did not seem thick enough so I added some corn starch mixed with water at the very end. This came out really good. When my habs ripen I'll give it another shot and maybe even take notes. Michael Pierce Telecommunications Manager - MarTel International, Inc. 11038 N. Harrison Kansas City, MO 64155 Phone: 816.734.0040 Fax: 816.734.2066 URL: http://www.martel-intl.com