Grisly, gristly....both, actually! You have to remember that I'm a vegetarian ;-) As to your Aussie not recognizing the name...Australia was (still is, really) a very provincial place and names varied from state to state. I'm still trying to remember to ask for a middy of beer, rather than a pot. And pie floaters are a culinary treasure from the 40's, 50's and 60's. I don't make pies, but I do make beouf bourginon and chile pasties for my husband to take to work for lunch from time to time. He loves to watch his co-workers drool when the smell wafts out of the microwave... Tara -- ______________________________________________________ Tara Deen School of Earth Sciences Division of Geology and Geophysics Building FO5 University of Sydney NSW 2006 Phone: 61-2-9351 4271 Fax: 61-2-9351 0184 email: tara@es.usyd.edu.au ______________________________________________________