I agree with most of the discussion on the list about commercially canned foods being not the least hot. Even my two non-CH kids think that stuff is pretty weak. My wife, an avowed, self-proclaimed, non-CH says the stuff isn't that hot. NO scientific evidence - but - I feel that salsa, chili, etc that I make and can seems a lot less hot (milder) after processing and sitting on the shelf for a few weeks, months. I make a meatless chili-type bean product with pinto and black turtle beans that my family say is mildly hot when fresh, but not when I can it. (I know-I know, no self respecting chili chef puts beans in chili. that's why I call it a chili-type bean product). :-) Any commnets from the list? I talked with our state extension foods specialist and she is looking for any information about cap' breakdown when exposed to canning temperatures. Nels in ND