Jim Sort of surprised, but not really, as Sir Garath said I am a Granite Rock head when it come to help. On the Bus side, A farm bus plan, do they the 4 F's, Fire, flood, F'n cold and the F'n wind, Nope don't think so. On the human side, If they knew you were in trouble, How many might a picked a couple extra Bushel and "Opps left them behind" As a fireman, I am sure that you have seen the times that a volunteer or 2 or 3 or a hundred has made the difference in a mans recovery from something that fate has brought him beyond any of his controls. As a nail pounder, I have helped 15 different folks that have been burned out, the stench of burnt timbers or burnt animials is one thing. The hardest part of the whole job, is they the guy that installs the new locksets, and hands the guy the keys. Only had to do that job 2 times. Toughest job I have ever done. Locally we now draw staws for that job. Yup there are folks out there that if they had known would have pitched in. Volunteers are not for the norm. Just when you are in deep sh-t and need an extra pair of hands. If I had been there and known, you bet could have found the time to pick an extra few bushell, Blew a clutch the night before and couldn't make it. FWIW Lord Byron