> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:25:31 -0500 > From: "byron bromley" <byron.bromley@gsd-co.com> Byron We have been through all this before. > You have killed it 3 times isn't that enough? You have probably killed the virus in the batch made. What about the unused tobacco, working surfaces, the persons hands and clothing, the container the tobacco came in, the place where it was dumped and stored for starters? Obviously this is not a problem where TMV has been eradicated and the source of the tobacco product is known. I can not answer for the rest of the world. Can you? SA produces its own seed because of regional differences in climate, soil, growth habit and production results desired. The research station I visited some years back most certainly had a TMV resistance breeding program in place. TMV was considered a major problem and I have no difficulty in believing that any tobacco grown in Africa has the potential risk attached. Some/much of this is exported, see Zimbabwe. I think the amount of chewing tobacco produced by other countries is small to insignificant. However most will have available waste material in the form of tobacco dust. Often sold as garden/lawn material. The potential of contamination is far greater from this product if the source plants are infected or are carries. The farm visited in Jamaica by Jim and Dave suffered from the results of TMV. As you know there are plenty of other host plants. It is even possible that tobacco was not responsible. Right now I do not have the time to research this aspect. I don't think TMV infection and growth is fast and the results often take more that a season to show major damage to the plant. Where new plants are planted each year into infected ground as established seedlings the home grower may not even notice. For those of us lucky enough to live in areas where plants survive four or more years it is not something to be welcomed. I still have not had an answer to the question. IF TMV has not been SEEN in USA tobacco does that mean it is not present or that the plants do not suffer from the virus but can still act as a host/carrier? The tobacco industry is mainly interested in appearence of the leaf. To them the above is one and the same. not the same. As noted the US is not the only place in the world tobacco is grown. There is no doubt that early shipments of seeds/plants to other parts of the world were contaminated with TMV. I doubt if any of the poorer countries purchase much seed from the US. Most other large growing countries will have there own seed breeding and production facilities. Does Cuba or Turkey purchase all/much seed from the US? I think it is just showing responsibility in noting that there may be a potential problem in using raw tobacco products. That care should be exercised if the non-existence of TMV can not be confirmed. Maybe the risk then is not worth the effort in maintaining a TMV free area and producing an uncontaminated product or work environment. Other safer products can be found or refined tobacco products used. Put another way given a substance infected with Ebola virus and your home manufacturing methods and treatment would you drink the results or be anywhere within 10 miles of the infected substance? I think not. Disease is spread by ignorance and not taking care and precautions. If there is a risk for some potential users and there most certainly is in this case. Why do you insist that the product is safe to make and use without precaution by all when it probably is not. Unless you can show that raw tobacco products anywhere in the world have no risk of infection. A sensible and responsible approach would be to recognise the potential risk to others and inform them of those risks, precautions and safety aspects needed when dealing with a possible virus infection. What's difficult about that? Peter -- Peter Moss After one hundred and fifty years and many thousands of firearms control laws to reduce crime the list of successes should be long and illustrious. Where is the list?