>For Rain, and any other vegans Oh, I'm not vegan, I'm vegetarian, specifically pesco-vegetarian. Thing is, all vegans are vegetarians, but not all vegetarians are vegans. Clear as mud? :) Okay, a primer: All vegetarians stay away from meat and poultry. Vegans (usually pronounced VEEgans) are the vegetarians that don't eat _any_ animal products, including dairy, eggs, honey, or in some cases even white sugar (since it may be filtered through bone charcoal). Most are vegan at least partly out of strong animal-rights convictions. Ovo-lacto vegetarians, the ones vegetarians generally mean when we just say "vegetarian", will eat eggs, dairy, honey and sugar. Some OLVs are against killing animals to eat, some aren't. (We all kill _something_ to eat, even if it's a chile pod. :)) Additionally, pesco-vegetarians like me (and Andrew Weil, from whom I learned it) eat modest amounts of fish or fish stock/sauce; that's the traditional Asian Buddhist way of eating, is not rare in the Mediterranean and is quietly popular in America--quietly because in-your-face veggie militants, a curse that cultures with an older vegetarian tradition don't suffer from much, jump all over it as not being "real" vegetarianism, or strict enough ethically, or whatever, (On the off chance there's anyone like that here, please don't bother writing me backchannel; you won't change my mind or my terminology.:)) Obviously you don't find many hardline animal-rights folks in the pesco-veg group, though like all decent people, we want to see animals humanely treated. Help any? What I use in pea soup is ham-flavored TVP if I can find it or veggie breakfast sausage or soybacon if I can't, and plenty of chipotles. The ham TVP has gotten harder to find, especially for a decent price. Keep on rockin', Rain @@@@ \\\\\\ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.