In a message dated 05/12/01 9:16:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, raelsixty4@earthlink.net writes: "methinks...just another reason to buy locally produced/grown goods...search out the independents... and thus tell corporate agriculture/producers/ growers/etc. to kiss our CH arses..." [That would be right after we do the Lord Byron Bare Bottom Test on our garden soil, I presume. BTW Byron, is it almost time for the test?] Rael and Ch.D.s: OK, but it seems to me that (small) independent hot sauce makers can get all the "shelf space" they want on the 'net. Apart from Tabasco in the old days, I don't think that I've bought any hot sauce in a stupor mkt, but I've chased down nearly every Chile-Head recommended sauce on the internet. If I knew how to find Marvin's BBQ sauce, I'd order it, boycott or not. More often than not, I follow recipes for sauces written on here and make my own. I get fairly regular shipments from Jim Campbell and Datil-Do-It, I need to patronize FireGirl, so the stupor mkts leave me cold. BTW, does anyone have the copy cat formula for Louisiana Hot Sauce? I'm interested because it's a lower vinegar concoction than regular Tabasco, and I'd like to make it with Jalapenos. I'd appreciate a "how-to" on this. Finally, I bought Hot Jalapeno seeds from Johnny's. No other description, just Hot Jalapeno. They sprouted before all others including Pretty in Purple, they are bigger plants than Biker Billy, seeds started the same day, and now the only question remaining is the heat level of the eventual poddies. Like so many others on here, I've been disappointed in the heat level of many of the Jalapenos that I've Chipotled in the past two years. We'll see. Gareth the ChileKnight