folks , as long as everyone is mid-rant about everything but CHILES ... i'd like to suggest that we stop using the informal/slang term ... " peter out " . as far as i'm concerned , the word/verb "peter" should Always be used in conjunction with the word "in". [(in) prep., adv., adj., n. - "In" expresses inclusion, situation, presence, existence, position, and action within limits of space, time, state, circumstances etc. (etc.)] quote from the Gage Canadian dictionary. like peter peppers , petering IN the garden ... that sorta thing. hey ... what's that bumpy scraping sound ? only 2 or 3 thousand knuckles dragging !! ;-> regards peter g over & "out" for now ...