Dear Allen, Andrew, Bill, Daniel, Jack & Debi, Jim & Marilyn, Lynn, Mark, Ricky, Rob & Joni, Scott, and All Interested, Just talked to Mary Garcia of GNS Spices on the phone. Verily, alas, alack, woe R us, anon, a plethora of thats, ohs, fores and forsooths. Ain't no! Frank Garcia isn't growing Savinas nor Franciscas this year, and all who are licensed to do so are using them in their own products. Frank is now deciding whether to start growing chiles again in 2002 himself, or, instead, to license, inspect and certify trustable local grower(s) he can work directly with in the greater L.A. area to supply about the same amounts he (Frank) has been growing the last 10 or so years. Alternatives: If you have a need or burning desire before then, attend Jim Campbell's Open Fields in late September ( http://wildpepper.com/ ). Finally, if you have a 84-F-soil-temperature greenhouse, you can grow chiles year-round, getting your seeds from Shepherd's ( http://www.shepherdseeds.com/item.asp?538 & http://www.shepherdseeds.com/item.asp?620 ), Or, for those loathe to sprout seeds, every April=>June, you can get seedlings from Janie Lamson aka Chile Goddess at Cross Country Nurseries ( http://www.chileplants.com/ ). Hope to put together another (4th?, 5th?) group buy in 2002 to be in the Grey Bears' cooler in Santa Cruz around late Sept./early Oct. Art