Chile-Heads Digest Wednesday, August 15 2001 Volume 08 : Number 405 In this issue: Re: [CH] question for a big brain Re: [CH] question for a big brain Re: [CH] Transpiration & Conversion Re: [CH] Transpiration & Conversion RE: [CH] question for a big brain Re: [CH] question for a big brain [CH] SoCal trip [CH] Hot Tomato Recipe Re: [CH]Inexpensive PH meter V8 #404 [CH] polyacrylamide/soil RE: [CH] decisions, decisions Re: [CH] question for a big brain RE: [CH] Rocoto and Cherry peppers [CH] ALGERIAN EGGPLANT STEW [CH] {CH} re: Algerian Eggplant Stew [CH] In My Chile Patch Today Re: [CH] {CH} re: Algerian Eggplant Stew [CH] Smoking peppers Re: [CH] Smoking peppers [CH] Serrano question Re: [CH] decisions, decisions [CH] Poder Travel Containers. Re: [CH] Serrano question [CH] Tonight's Dinner - Spicy Szechuan Noodles Re: [CH] question for a big brain Re: [CH] question for a big brain Re: [CH] question for a big brain RE: [CH] question for a big brain Re: [CH] question for a big brain [CH] Re: (CH) Serrano question RE: [CH] Serrano question Re: [CH] Re: (CH) Serrano question Re: [CH] Serrano question [CH] Re: Smoking peppers RE: [CH] Serrano question [CH] Re: (CH) Serrano question Re: [CH] question for a big brain Re: [CH] question for a big brain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:22:05 -0600 From: "Inagaddadavida, Baby" <raelsixfour@home.com> Subject: Re: [CH] question for a big brain >Hi again, I have another question regarding CAP. I was wondering if >it was a particular gene that made peppers produce CAP and if we >could add this gene to... lets say tomatos to produce a pretty hot >tomato, or tomatoes of different Hot levels. Also, if there are >different genes from one type of pepper to another, maybe it would >be possible to combine all these genes that produce CAP to create a >supper pepper.... > >Thanks are we humans never satisfied with what Momma Nature has given us? do our egos loom sooooo huge whereas we must see if we can best Her creations? are we so damned bored? i just don't understand it...lack of contentment with the All we have. i'm *this* close to going after a bottle of meZcal... sheesh... Rael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:48:28 -0400 From: Ed Johnson <ejohnso1@maine.rr.com> Subject: Re: [CH] question for a big brain Neo-Luddite No. 1 has spoken.... "Inagaddadavida, Baby" wrote: > are we humans never satisfied with what Momma Nature has given us? <SNIP> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:12:24 -0400 From: "Paul Karpowicz" <hondamedic@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [CH] Transpiration & Conversion Pam Must have been another list. Basically someone wrote in thinking what a great idea it would be to put a diaper under each plant so roots would grow through it and absorb water from diaper material when surrounding soil was dry. Needless to say it was panned by everyone. > > Wasn't there a discussion about putting diapers below plant for same > >reason (uses polymers as absorbent)? > > If there was, it was before my time. It would seem simpler > to just put a plate or a bowl. Less expensive, too. > > Pam As to metric conversions, I work on Honda's and can do some that I work with daily. Others I have never done I need some help. Paul >Why? I can do metric conversions. It's most of the >rest of the US that's metric impaired. And if you >give them a conversion site, they'll hang onto that >crutch and never learn. >Pam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:32:36 +0200 From: "T" <joemama@ticino.com> Subject: Re: [CH] Transpiration & Conversion Actually, the inch (and probably other) US system measurements have been DEFINED as a function of the metric system since the '70s (an inch is now EXACTLY 25.4mm, not 25.400051... as it was previously). So the inch is therefor a metric unit! Personally, I use miles for distance, meters for altitude, liters for fuel, ounces for (most) liquid food products (and some dry), grams for most dry food products (and some liquid), and whatever temperature scale that happens to be convenient at the time. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:37:27 -0000 From: "Parkhurst, Scott Contractor" <PARKHURS@LEAVENWORTH.ARMY.MIL> Subject: RE: [CH] question for a big brain > combine all these genes that produce CAP to create a > supper pepper.... But, but, but...... what about the other meals? Won't breakfast and lunch feel left out? I suppose we should work on a meal-specific pepper for midnight snacks while we're at it. And we should include genes for them to have legs, too. that way if you try to use them in the wrong meal they can run away and hide until the appropriate time. Or would it be better to give them speech capability so they could warn us of an impending culinary faux pas? Scott... KCK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:56:47 GMT From: mstevens@exit109.com Subject: Re: [CH] question for a big brain At 11:22 PM 8/13/01 -0600, Inagaddadavida, Baby wrote: > >are we humans never satisfied with what Momma Nature has given us? >do our egos loom sooooo huge whereas we must see if we can best Her >creations? are we so damned bored? > So, you're suggesting we should be living in mud huts, bopping rabbits with sticks for our dinner, dying toothless at the ripe old age of 37? We have similar arguments over on the BBQ lists: "Oh no! Can't use matches or a lighter to start the fire, not "traditional," gotta rub sticks together or wait for lightning to strike..." You are right tho, scrambling around trying to scare up enough food to keep from starving to death would leave precious little time to be bored. I've never noticed "Momma Nature" to be particularly kind... =Mark "Runs With Scissors" Stevens @ http://www.exit109.com/~mstevens @ @ ICQ# 2059548 @ Dyslexic Agnostic Insomniac... Lying awake at night, wondering if there is a dog. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:01:35 -0400 From: Cameron Begg <begg.4@osu.edu> Subject: [CH] SoCal trip Hi C-H's, Thank you all for your advice - we had a great time. At the Farmer's Market near the La Brea tar pits we sampled churrascaria (Sp?) from the Brazilian stand. The skewered meats and sausage were sliced on to our plates. I think this is called a rodizio. They have a salad bar and rice, beans, farofa (made from yucca flour) and all sorts of other stuff. When I asked for something hot they gave me some tiny pickled peppers. The taste went wonderfully well with the BBQ'd meat, so I asked them where I could buy some. They sold me a small bottle on the understanding that I told nobody else!! (Be good.) The peppers are called "pimenta malagueta" and are pickled in vinegar and salt. Anyone know where I can get some seeds? We also had a great time with Chileheads Mary and Riley. I expect they are still eating the leftovers. Thanks for the eggplant recipes. I would never have thought of using gorgonzola cheese but it was very good with just sliced and fried eggplant in olive oil plus some pepper flakes. - -- - --- Regards, Cameron. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:11:23 -0400 From: "T. Matthew Evans" <matt.evans@ce.gatech.edu> Subject: [CH] Hot Tomato Recipe Hi All -- I posted a recipe a week or two ago for canned hot tomatoes. I opened my first jar last night for dinner -- sweet and hot with a very nice, round, full-mouth heat from the lips to the back of the throat. So, I thought that I would pass along a use for these tomatoes in case any of you decide to can some of these beauties.... Orecchiette with Tomatoes, Chiles, Smoked Chicken, and Spinach (Imperial) 1 T olive oil 1 shallot, sliced thin 1/2 to 3/4 lb. diced smoked chicken (I didn't really measure) 1/4 cup dry red wine 1 pint canned hot tomatoes 2 handfuls washed, stemmed spinach 1/2 lb. orecchiette asiago cheese Saute shallot in oil until beginning to turn golden, add chicken and heat through. Deglaze with wine and reduce. Add tomatoes and warm through. Add spinach and cooked pasta and heat until spinach is wilted and pasta starch slightly thickens sauce. Serve with asiago on top. By the way, when I build a pasta in a saute pan like this, I season in layers with S&P mix. That is, each time I add a new ingredient, I add just enough salt and pepper for that particular ingredient. Typically, I still need to adjust prior to moving the dish to the table. Please see below for metric equivalents. Orecchiette with Tomatoes, Chiles, Smoked Chicken, and Spinach (metric) 15 mL olive oil 1.37 shallot, sliced thin 225 to 350 g diced smoked chicken (I didn't really measure) 60 mL dry red wine 475 mL canned hot tomatoes 1.84 handfuls washed, stemmed spinach 225 g orecchiette asiago cheese Please note -- 1.37 metric shallots = 1 Imperial shallot and 0.92 metric handful = 1 Imperial handful. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:23:30 -0400 From: Cameron Begg <begg.4@osu.edu> Subject: Re: [CH]Inexpensive PH meter V8 #404 Hi C-H's, Matt wrote: >At first glance, it would seem relatively simple to convert pH into percent >acetic acid, ................. As I have said in the past, you should not waste your money on pH meters as they require considerable care and knowledge on the part of the user in order to obtain meaningful data. I know how to do this (as I am sure Matt and a few others on the list do also) and I can borrow a $600 pH meter, buffers, calibration solutions, electrodes and all the rest of it any time I want. So what do I do? I use a piece of pH paper. No mess. No fuss. Near enough for telling me that the sauce I'm making is about pH4.0. - -- - --- Regards, Cameron. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:19:00 -0400 From: halsalhb@email.uc.edu Subject: [CH] polyacrylamide/soil Google search for polyacrylamide gave 41,600 hits. Search for (polyacrylamide,soil) - with parentheses - gave 3,280. I scanned a bunch of these at random and they mostly concerned water retention and controlling soil erosion. Should be something there for you. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:03:52 -0700 From: "Mary & Riley" <uGuys@ChileGarden.com> Subject: RE: [CH] decisions, decisions > > I got an email from these guys touting their hot sauces, > Dhidow Enterprises Gourmet Pepper Sauces. I have no > intention of ordering from them due to their marketing tactics, > but how should I respond, if at all? Righteous indignation, This is unadulterated spam--looks like they harvested email addresses from the list and are selling a product--not a polite, personal invitation, re: the recent spam thread. Unsolicited Commercial Email, ie SPAM. Most spam isn't worth the time to take any action, but I no intention of buying from them and it might be worthwhile letting them know. I was going to cc them, but can't find it now and need to run. Later, Riley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:20:12 -0400 From: "jocelyn berg" <dygurkem@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [CH] question for a big brain >are we humans never satisfied with what Momma Nature has given us? >do our egos loom sooooo huge whereas we must see if we can best Her >creations? are we so damned bored? > >i just don't understand it...lack of contentment with the All we have. > >i'm *this* close to going after a bottle of meZcal... > >sheesh... > >Rael Since we're a part of nature, how can we try to best her when we are her. I believe that the fact that we have a big ego makes us think we are apart from nature!!! So all the Universe is nature, all animals are part of nature but we're not?? Nature tries to get "better" with time, so why not try some experiments??? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:58:36 RSA-2 From: Peter Moss <pmoss@yoda.alt.za> Subject: RE: [CH] Rocoto and Cherry peppers > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:59:55 -0700 > From: "Mary & Riley" <uGuys@ChileGarden.com> > ... Also seem bit of a challenge to grow, at least > in S. Calif, due in part to the heat. C. pubescens prefers warm nights, cool mountain breeze. Growing them in containers was a challenge for me. Stuck them in the ground where they get mostly shade from large trees and have never looked back. > This is my second year--got two fruit last year and lots of > blossom drop (in containers). Things look better this year, > more fruit set from the two plants that overwintered and my > two new plants, all in the ground now. Also had some advice > from a rocoto expert on the list, Cameron Begg, who's also > supplied seed to many here. Most plants don't do all that well the first year. They have a long growing season 120 days or more. I never got much fruit or happiness from a potted plant. Large pot at least 5 gal (imperial) or 20L for the converted. They like to sprawl a lot branching out all over the place. Give them the space and patience and you will be rewarded. Very robust plants as well. My oldest are 5 years old now. > They are available at times in the markets in SoCal under the > name Manzano, which refers to the apple shaped one. There are > also pear shaped rocotos called Peron's here. Rocoto seeds > are unique in that they're black. I am looking for seeds of the yellow apple shape. Prefer lantern (chinese) shape for the other ;-) Conditions here are warm temperate to subtropical. 700..1400mm rain PA mainly in summer /25.4 = in. 30..40 plus deg C in summer and maybe 0..4 days light frost in winter. Summer temps are far to high for rocoto but they do fine in the shade. Regards Peter - -- Peter Moss After one hundred and fifty years and many thousands of firearms control laws to reduce crime the list of successes should be long and illustrious. Where is the list? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:49:33 -0600 From: Rob Solarion <solarion@1starnet.com> Subject: [CH] ALGERIAN EGGPLANT STEW - ---------------------- ALGERIAN EGGPLANT STEW By Robertino Solarion INGREDIENTS 2 medium-to-large eggplants, cut into bite-sized pieces 1.5 cups of olive oil 1 teaspoon of salt 1 teaspoon of black pepper 8 cloves of garlic, minced (divided use) 2 (or more) jalapeņo peppers, not seeded and chopped 1 heaping Tablespoon of minced fresh ginger root 1 small bunch of cilantro (about 1 cup), finely chopped juice of 1 large lemon or 4 key limes 1 heaping Tablespoon of cumin 1 Tablespoon of paprika 1 teaspoon of turmeric PROCEDURE In a large skillet or saute pan over medium heat, saute the eggplant in the olive oil, salt and black pepper for about 5 minutes, stirring constantly. Then mix together half the garlic and all the other ingredients in a separate bowl, and stir them into the eggplant. Cook for about 10 minutes, stirring occasionally; and then reduce the heat to low, and simmer uncovered for 20-30 minutes, or until the eggplant is completely soft. Add the rest of the garlic, stir for a minute or two, and remove from the heat. Cover, and let the stew cool to room temperature. Serve with a slotted spoon to drain off some of the excess olive oil. Serve it either as it is or as a type of dip with pita bread. Makes about 4-6 servings. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:32:59 EDT From: JIUGI@aol.com Subject: [CH] {CH} re: Algerian Eggplant Stew from an area close to Algeria comes a recipe for eggplant, which is similar, this one's from Sudan, and it's really lovely! same deal with the eggplant, cut it in chunks and fry it in olive oil. drain, cool add yogurt, cumin, lemonjuice and some hot pepper. this is very delicious! - -------------------------------------- another from Sudan: cut up a bunch of crunchy vegetables, (bite sized) but don't use cucumbers, they give off water. Used things like carrots, radishes, onions, tomato, peppers, raw broccoli, etc. mix equal parts peanut butter and white vinegar, or lemon juice, hot pepper and salt. cover veggies. this is surprisingly delicious! enjoy! - -------------------------------------------- Sorry that I don't have exact amounts.. the woman who made them for me didn't use any. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:11:19 -0400 From: "RisaG" <radiorlg@home.com> Subject: [CH] In My Chile Patch Today I went into my veggie patch today to check out what needed to be picked and how I was doing with bugs, etc. I saw a lady bug doing its business along with some hoverflies and bees. Also saw 2 Aji Amarillos on one plant, green and another one on the other plant. Also, on one of the 2 Fatali plants I saw a really tiny fatali. It must have been about 1/4" in size, not much more .I hope they all don't turn out that small. The plants themselves are kind of short. I planted late and they never recovered from being left in the little cups for too long. They were pot bound for awhile and then I had the raised bed built. They are getting a bit taller, as are the Devil Peppers, and the mystery chile is still a mystery. Checked Chileplants.com for I.D. and got really no where. Too many that look like it - sort of like between a serrano and a jalapeno in shape, light green in color. Don't know what it is but it doesn't have too much heat. I am leaving the rest on the plant and see if they ripen. When they do, I'll taste and hope for more heat. Aside from chiles, the cukes are all going crazy. The mystery cuke has some really huge ones that look like footballs (small ones) and taste like cuke. The Suhyo are growing soooo long. The Brinjal eggplants are many and beautiful. The herbs are all over the place and so are all the tomatoes. I picked about 10 Black Plum tomatoes and about 10 of the Red Grape today. The Big Rainbow (or could be Big Beef) are getting ripe. Another few days and I'll be picking one. Can't wait. Just an update of the patch... RisaG, Zone 6, NJ MK Independent Beauty Consultant mailto: radiorlg@home.com Risa's Food Service http://www.geocities.com/radiorlg Updated 8/10/01 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:05:21 -0500 From: "David Cook" <zeb@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: [CH] {CH} re: Algerian Eggplant Stew Sudanese food. A new one for me. I'll have to try these. Thanks! David "Zeb" Cook - ----- Original Message ----- From: <JIUGI@aol.com> To: <chile-heads@globalgarden.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 3:32 PM Subject: [CH] {CH} re: Algerian Eggplant Stew > from an area close to Algeria comes a recipe for eggplant, which is similar, > this one's from Sudan, and it's really lovely! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:50:09 -0400 From: kgbenson@mindspring.com Subject: [CH] Smoking peppers Hello CHers, Has anyone on the list used a Lil' Chief Smoker for making Chipotles or for smoking habaneros? Thanks, Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:08:17 -0500 From: "Sandy Olson" <sandyo@willowtree.com> Subject: Re: [CH] Smoking peppers Yes...the Little Chief works very nicely. I followed the directions and only used two bowls full of the wood chips (more like sawdust) so the flavor was not bitter. I smoked the jals until they were still bendable, about like prunes, then stored them in the fridge. Getting ready to harvest more and do this year's batch. It was money well spent...I got the smoker on sale for around $22 two years ago. SandyO CH #1146 moving a bit away from the moderate persuasion. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:47:16 -0600 From: "Lora Bannan" <stitch@lakemac.net> Subject: [CH] Serrano question Boy do I need to buy a few pepper books. Is there a site that shows the peppers on the plants? I know what seeds I started but my tray was blown over when outside this spring so I'm not sure which plant was which. I've got 6 plants at a friends I'm trying to figure out. I know one is Anaheim, one is bell. I think one of the Thai peppers made it. The other 3 have tons of small peppers, light green-almost yellow in color, growing straight up. Would those be the serranos? I didn't plant tobasco but I did buy seeds from a seller on ebay so anything is possible. :) I picked one today for the heck of it to see what it tastes like. Quite hot but not a long lasting burn. Definitely needs to mature more. Should taste great when red! I'm so proud I ate one out of the garden. ('course I'm sitting here with tears and a tortilla to help me!) Thanks! Lora ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:10:08 +1000 From: Luke Speer <lukasz@midcoast.com.au> Subject: Re: [CH] decisions, decisions 14/08/01 1:38:31 AM, "Parkhurst, Scott Contractor" <PARKHURS@LEAVENWORTH.ARMY.MIL> wrote: I got an email from these guys touting their hot sauces, Dhidow Enterprises Gourmet Pepper Sauces. I have no intention of ordering from them due to their marketing tactics, but how should I respond, if at all? Righteous indignation, politeness, polite indignation? I've never been s p a m m e d where I couldn't figure how they got my email addy. Scott... they sound like a pretty conceited bunch... KCK I Replied to them and oiffered to shut their server down if they spammed me again, been on line long enough to figure out how to do it <G> Luke in Oz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:18:02 -0400 From: "Mark Barringer" <mdogdrum@earthlink.net> Subject: [CH] Poder Travel Containers. That one you sent me is very cool. I intend on keeping it for reuse once it is empty of the powder U sent me, which shouldn't be long I reckon. Mark "Mad Dog" Barringer http://home.earthlink.net/~mdogdrum/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:37:22 -0400 From: "Mike H" <bear1@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: [CH] Serrano question >The other 3 > have tons of small peppers, light green-almost yellow in color, growing > straight up I got some just like that, mine are tabasco. Serrano start off dark green and hang down. You can see some excellent pics at: http://www.chileplants.com/photos.htm Mike dabear Montreal - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lora Bannan" <stitch@lakemac.net> To: "chile" <chile-heads@globalgarden.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: [CH] Serrano question > Boy do I need to buy a few pepper books. Is there a site that shows the > peppers on the plants? I know what seeds I started but my tray was blown > over when outside this spring so I'm not sure which plant was which. > > I've got 6 plants at a friends I'm trying to figure out. I know one is > Anaheim, one is bell. I think one of the Thai peppers made it. The other 3 > have tons of small peppers, light green-almost yellow in color, growing > straight up. Would those be the serranos? I didn't plant tobasco but I did > buy seeds from a seller on ebay so anything is possible. :) > > I picked one today for the heck of it to see what it tastes like. Quite hot > but not a long lasting burn. Definitely needs to mature more. Should taste > great when red! I'm so proud I ate one out of the garden. ('course I'm > sitting here with tears and a tortilla to help me!) > > Thanks! > > Lora > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:43:22 -0400 From: "RisaG" <radiorlg@home.com> Subject: [CH] Tonight's Dinner - Spicy Szechuan Noodles This was adapted from The Barefoot Contessa Cookbook by Ina Garten, one of the best cookbooks in a long time IMHO. The food is so simple and yet tastes so wonderful. I made a few changes - I used rice wine instead of dry sherry, I chopped up some chiles and put them on top as a garnish along with some shreds of ginger (My DH hated that part, I loved it) and I shredded some red onion and some cooked chicken to put on top. This was delicious and so easy to do. Well worth the fat and calories IMHO. * Exported from MasterCook * Spicy Szechuan Noodles Recipe By : RisaG, adapted from The Barefoot Contessa Cookbook Serving Size : 6 Preparation Time :0:00 Categories : Chiles Main Dish Pasta Poultry Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method - -------- ------------ -------------------------------- 6 cloves garlic -- chopped 1/4 cup fresh ginger -- peeled & chopped 1/2 cup vegetable oil 1/2 cup sesame tahini (sesame paste) 1/2 cup smooth peanut butter 1/2 cup good soy sauce 1/4 cup rice wine 1/4 cup sherry vinegar 1/4 cup honey -- * see note 1/2 tsp hot chili oil 2 tbsp roasted sesame oil -- Kadoya brand prefer. 1/2 tsp freshly ground black pepper 1/8 tsp cayenne pepper 1 lb spaghetti Garnishes: 1 yellow bell pepper -- julienne 1 red onion -- julienne 1 cucumber -- julienne 1 cooked chicken breast -- shredded 1 fresh chile (or 2) -- julienne** For sauce: Place garlic and ginger in food processor. Process until chopped fine. Add vegetable oil, tahini, peanut butter, soy sauce, rice wine, sherry vinegar, honey, chili oil and sesame oil. Puree the sauce. For noodles: Put a large pot of water up to a boil. When boilingh, add salt. Add noodles and cook according to package directions. Drain pasta in colander, place in a large bowl, and while still warm, toss with three-quarters of the sauce. Add the garnishes and toss well. Serve warm or at room temp. The remaining sauce may be added, as needed, to moisten the pasta. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - NOTES : Risa's notes: * I used Garlic Honey I got at a festival. Use whatever you have, nothing too fruity flavored. ** This is optional. For the Chile-Heads in the household, add the chiles. For the non-CH leave them out. You can serve them at the table instead of putting them in when cooking. Book Note: Don't combine the sauce with the pasta until the last minute; the soy sauce tends to break down the noodles and make them mushy. RisaG Risa's Food Service http://www.geocities.com/radiorlg Updated 8/10/01 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:40:15 -0700 From: "Dave Anderson" <Chilehead@tough-love.com> Subject: Re: [CH] question for a big brain If I put on my white lab coat and labor in my gene splicing lab to do something with a pepper, I'm going to spend the large sums of money on something that brings me a big-time return on my investment. I'm going to try to get more tonnage per acre or hectare, or I'm going to try to get a plant that will continue to produce in higher or lower temperatures (or both), Or I'm going to try to get a bigger bell, or a thicker skinned bell, or a different colored bell. I'm not going to go for a hotter pepper because there's simply not enough of a market for it. If a hotter pepper than Red Savina Habanero comes along, it will probably be a sport found in Jim Campbell's pepper patch:-) > Can't wait to hear what the neo-luddites have to say about this! > > In theory it should be possible, however because CAP isn't a protein it would > require identification of multiple genes coding for the various enzymes used by > the plant to synthesize CAP. Sounds like a lot of work to produce a funny > shaped Poblano. > > A super chile should be easier since only one gene might require modification. > The fact that no one has done it yet suggests that even this isn't easy. I > would have thought that the red savina mutation should make identification (as > opposed to working out how make it even 'better') of the gene relatively easy - > maybe the red savina owners have the intellectual property sewn up. > > regards > > Neale > (fireworksfoods.com.au) > > jocelyn berg wrote: > > > Hi again, I have another question regarding CAP. I was wondering if it was a > > particular gene that made peppers produce CAP and if we could add this gene > > to... lets say tomatos to produce a pretty hot tomato, or tomatoes of > > different Hot levels. Also, if there are different genes from one type of > > pepper to another, maybe it would be possible to combine all these genes > > that produce CAP to create a supper pepper.... Dave Anderson Tough Love Chile Co. Http://www.tough-love.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:04:34 -0400 From: Pam Rudd <pamrudd@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [CH] question for a big brain >are we humans never satisfied with what Momma Nature has given us? >do our egos loom sooooo huge whereas we must see if we can best Her >creations? are we so damned bored? > >i just don't understand it...lack of contentment with the All we have. So, you only grow wild cultivars of peppers? And have wolves and lions as pets? >i'm *this* close to going after a bottle of meZcal... Tsk! Surely you're not going to pollute yourself with something distorted and fermented by man into something unnatural? >sheesh... Amen! Pam, sipping on a fermented malt and barley beverage - --- 'I never give them hell. I just tell the truth, and they think it is hell.' - Harry S. Truman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:05:24 -0400 From: Pam Rudd <pamrudd@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [CH] question for a big brain At 12:20 PM 08/14/2001 -0400, jocelyn berg wrote: >Since we're a part of nature, how can we try to best her when we are her. I >believe that the fact that we have a big ego makes us think we are apart >from nature!!! So all the Universe is nature, all animals are part of nature >but we're not?? Nature tries to get "better" with time, so why not try some >experiments??? Sure! Let's inflict catastrophic damage to a significant portion of our environment just for funsies! Bonus points to the first person to set off a world wide extinction event! Pam - --- "Subtle as a lead pipe, Milady." The Regulator, 1996, S:AAB BB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:07:03 -0700 From: "Mary & Riley" <uGuys@ChileGarden.com> Subject: RE: [CH] question for a big brain > are we humans never satisfied with what Momma Nature has given us? > i'm *this* close to going after a bottle of meZcal... > > sheesh... > > Rael Mescal--'bout as natural as a distillate gets. ;-) Riley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:07:57 -0400 From: Mike S <mike@dmfarms.com> Subject: Re: [CH] question for a big brain > > >Sure! Let's inflict catastrophic damage to a significant >portion of our environment just for funsies! Bonus points >to the first person to set off a world wide extinction event! > > >Pam > >We will never "inflict catastrophic damage to a significant portion of the >environment". Why? We simply are not powerful enough. Mother Nature would >(will, is) recover(ing). We have been using insecticides and herbicides for decades. Guess what? No weeds or insects have been driven to extinction because of them. (Darn!) Impossible for a few GMO type plants to really have a minor, let alone significant impact on good, old Mother Earth. The only thing that really "impacts" the earth is asphalt and concrete, but alas, I can show you "Mother Earth" overcoming those also. Mike D & M Farms ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:26:21 -0400 From: "Paul Karpowicz" <hondamedic@mediaone.net> Subject: [CH] Re: (CH) Serrano question Lora, "tons of small peppers, light green-almost yellow in color, growing straight up" I'll also bet the plant is smallish & bushy/not tall & tree like. If the fruit are thin & tapers to a point, sounds like a Thai, one of its relatives or an ornamental. Serranos grow on taller plants, spaced around the plant, point downward & are bullet shaped. Congrats on your green thumb, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:43:55 -0400 From: "T. Matthew Evans" <matt.evans@ce.gatech.edu> Subject: RE: [CH] Serrano question The green-yellow chile that is very prolific and growing straight up sounds an awful lot like a Tabasco.... Matt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ T. Matthew Evans Graduate Research Assistant Geosystems Group, School of Civil and Environmental Engineering Georgia Institute of Technology URL: www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte964w ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-chile-heads@globalgarden.com [mailto:owner-chile-heads@globalgarden.com]On Behalf Of Lora Bannan Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 7:47 PM To: chile Subject: [CH] Serrano question Boy do I need to buy a few pepper books. Is there a site that shows the peppers on the plants? I know what seeds I started but my tray was blown over when outside this spring so I'm not sure which plant was which. I've got 6 plants at a friends I'm trying to figure out. I know one is Anaheim, one is bell. I think one of the Thai peppers made it. The other 3 have tons of small peppers, light green-almost yellow in color, growing straight up. Would those be the serranos? I didn't plant tobasco but I did buy seeds from a seller on ebay so anything is possible. :) I picked one today for the heck of it to see what it tastes like. Quite hot but not a long lasting burn. Definitely needs to mature more. Should taste great when red! I'm so proud I ate one out of the garden. ('course I'm sitting here with tears and a tortilla to help me!) Thanks! Lora ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:59:48 -0400 From: "Karen Stober" <kstober@us.ibm.com> Subject: Re: [CH] Re: (CH) Serrano question "tons of small peppers, light green-almost yellow in color, growing straight up" Sounds like Peter Peppers. Karen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:04:17 -0400 From: "RisaG" <radiorlg@home.com> Subject: Re: [CH] Serrano question Sounds like either a thai variety or bolivian. Yatsafusa also grows upward and so do a lot of the Indian varieties. Could be anything. Did you check Chileplants.com??? I go there to try and identify my peppers. RisaG, Zone 6, NJ Risa's Food Service http://www.geocities.com/radiorlg Updated 8/10/01 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Matthew Evans" <matt.evans@ce.gatech.edu> To: "Lora Bannan" <stitch@lakemac.net>; "chile" <chile-heads@globalgarden.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:43 AM Subject: RE: [CH] Serrano question > The green-yellow chile that is very prolific and growing straight up sounds > an awful lot like a Tabasco.... > > Matt > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > T. Matthew Evans > Graduate Research Assistant > Geosystems Group, School of Civil and Environmental Engineering > Georgia Institute of Technology > URL: www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte964w > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chile-heads@globalgarden.com > [mailto:owner-chile-heads@globalgarden.com]On Behalf Of Lora Bannan > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 7:47 PM > To: chile > Subject: [CH] Serrano question > > > Boy do I need to buy a few pepper books. Is there a site that shows the > peppers on the plants? I know what seeds I started but my tray was blown > over when outside this spring so I'm not sure which plant was which. > > I've got 6 plants at a friends I'm trying to figure out. I know one is > Anaheim, one is bell. I think one of the Thai peppers made it. The other 3 > have tons of small peppers, light green-almost yellow in color, growing > straight up. Would those be the serranos? I didn't plant tobasco but I did > buy seeds from a seller on ebay so anything is possible. :) > > I picked one today for the heck of it to see what it tastes like. Quite hot > but not a long lasting burn. Definitely needs to mature more. Should taste > great when red! I'm so proud I ate one out of the garden. ('course I'm > sitting here with tears and a tortilla to help me!) > > Thanks! > > Lora > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:16:11 From: "Alex Silbajoris" <asilbajo@hotmail.com> Subject: [CH] Re: Smoking peppers >From: "Sandy Olson" <sandyo@willowtree.com> >It was money well spent...I got the smoker on >sale for around $22 two years ago. This is the beginning of the time of the year when many stores discount their bbq stock, and if you scout and snoop you might find some really sweet deals. I've smoked habs to a crunchy texture over hickory in a New Braunfels Big Texas, which is a direct-heat grill and not really a smoker. HOWEVER ... Linda's birthday was last week, and I got a metal chiminea, or patio fireplace, that stands about shoulder-high at the top of the stack. I am already wondering if I can contrive some kind of smoking chamber that I could use for peppers. - - A _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:37:30 -0600 From: "Lora Bannan" <stitch@lakemac.net> Subject: RE: [CH] Serrano question Thanks for all the responses! I'm relatively sure they are Tabasco. My hubby thinks I had some seeds, I didn't think so. Pregnancy must be zapping my memory cells. LOL So this years pepper crop will include Anaheim, Tabasco, Thai, Jalapeno, Habanero (?kind), Caribbean Red, and Green Bell. Not sure that I'll be tasting all of them fresh from the garden though. I'll have to work up to that. Take care, Lora ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:23:36 -0400 From: "Suzanne" <suz2@mindspring.com> Subject: [CH] Re: (CH) Serrano question That does not sound at all like the Peter Peppers I grew. My Peters looked like crooked, well....peters, pointed down. The pods are about 3 inches long. (no I am not going to take us there) > Sounds like Peter Peppers. > > Karen > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:32:16 -0400 From: pamrudd@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [CH] question for a big brain Mike S <mike@dmfarms.com> wrote: >We will never "inflict catastrophic damage to a >significant portion of the >environment". Why? We simply are not powerful enough. Right. And the President did Not! have Sex! with That Woman! Pam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:27:08 -0400 From: "jocelyn berg" <dygurkem@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [CH] question for a big brain >Sure! Let's inflict catastrophic damage to a significant >portion of our environment just for funsies! Bonus points >to the first person to set off a world wide extinction event! I think it's pretty weird to think that a pepper could cause our death and take over the world, leaving us as slaves and weak like never before. Surely we don't have the power to resist such a powerfull enemy, but maby just digging the plants and burning them will do the thing!!! Also, it's funny to call those things funsies. What I said is one, that I know. But what about a new type of rice that produces vitamin A . It would help the life of millions in small poor contries, but we surely wouldn't want to take the chance to see a better rice take over the world, so lets just watch the poor people die... BTW, this type of rice as already been created by adding two genes to the plant. It's safe, it works. Because of green peace, this rice cannot be produced ( they said WE didn't needed that type of rice since we already have a good one and other ways to get vitamin A ). There are also genes modification for the benefict of environment. They change a gene in pigs which makes their "crap" none toxic for the rivers. Such a thing will probably be rejected again. We also have to know that a gene modification only adds, remove a couple of genes. We don't say a thing when we cross two types of plants together, like some of us talk about doing with their peppers. It's funny cause this action changes thousands of genes at random, but since it wasn't made under the plastic outfit, it's no problem. So maybe gene modification ain't just little funsies that we do during the weekends! Maybe we're not investing millions of dollars to have a little fun during our pass time! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of Chile-Heads Digest V8 #405 ********************************* Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.globalgarden.com, in pub/chile-heads/digest/vNN.nMMM (where "NN" is the volume number, and "MMM" is the issue number).