Hi Steve, In my humble opinion Hot is.... When you say it is hot, and.... when anyone else say it is hot, and that can be total different heat levels. In other words it's a personal feeling, just enjoy the heat till the level you can appreciate. Just my two Euro cents Rob NL -----Original Message----- From: Steve Winnard [mailto:s_winnard@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:59 AM To: chile-heads@globalgarden.com Subject: [CH] What is HOT? I like to think that I enjoy my chilli-laden food HOT, but that's a subjective level. I determine HOT as being at a level my lips hurt, my mouth hurts and I must resort to drinking something... anything! Anything less than this and it is medium / mild, etc. I make my own hot sauce by grinding up Bird's Eye chillis with an equalish amount of white vinegar, some rock salt, a little garlic and coriander, and that's it. I consider this to be HOT. I pour it like crazy on my food, but I certainly couldn't swallow a tablespoon of the stuff straight! So, that begs the question : What do you fellow chilli (chile for you Northern Hemispherians) heads consider hot? Does the list have a standard level one's chilli heat must attain to considered HOT? Must I be able to eat Habs raw before being considered a HOT eater? Your thoughts please... Regards, Steve