Just a short note that may interest those more interested in species and how they stand up to different conditions. For two years I have not had the time to tend what was once more than 200 chile plants. Species I had planted were C. annuum very few. C. chinese the majority, C. baccatum few, C. pubescens about 10. C. frutescens a few. Neglect failures C. frutescens - 100% C. annuum - near 100% 1 plant from Mauritius. "Firecracker" C. chinense - near 100% C. baccatum - 60%..75% C. pubescens - 0% The variety is not important or is seemingly not to important but after two years of utter neglect where all plants were left to their own devices with no tending, feeding or watering other than nature 90% plus of the C. chinese are gone. The survivor chile C. pubescens of which I have 100%. The oldest of these plants are now 5..6 years old. The next best survivor was C. baccatum. Out of interest C. chinese varieties were Scotch bonnet Red habanero Orange habanero Chocolate habanero Fatalii Which made up the majority of plants. Red Savina being a very poor survivor. Conditions 700..1400mm rain PA summer max 40..45 deg C winter 3..4 days frost, no hard frost, no snow, no ice. Apologies to the metrically challenged but you should be able to do a conversion with your slide rule. About 50% failed in the first year with those that survived giving few and very small poor fruit. Position did not seem to make that much difference although the C. pubescens are grown in the shade of a large oak tree. C. baccatum, C. chinense and C. annuum in the same spot failed. Sorry it was an observation and not a controlled experiment. Look after your chile plants because they need it, seems to be the message. Peter -- Peter Moss After one hundred and fifty years and many thousands of firearms control laws to reduce crime the list of successes should be long and illustrious. Where is the list? The information in this e-mail is confidential and is legally privileged.