Mark, I have grown chiltepins from seeds from two different sources, and the plants were about the same. Both grew to four foot plants easily 2-3 foot wide, and both put on about 5-600 peppers each. One, though, was generally smaller than the other by about a third, and consequently had less juice and flavor. I much prefer the larger variety and will plant that one exclusively from now on. Chiltepins generally take a long time to germinate - in my experience three weeks or longer. Just be patient. I love habs, but chiltepins are fast gaining on the leader. Fred the habaneronut