[CH] Pepper eating contest
Glenn D. Murphy (gdmurf@attbi.com)
Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:54:36 -0800
Well all, thanks for the tips on how to win the Jalepeno eating contest,
however, much to my dismay they cancelled the event. Apparantly no one else
signed up to compete. They wouldn't even give me the title by default. Oh
well, next time.
Stay cool, er hot!
Glenn
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In this issue:
Re: [CH] Hi all, I'm back...
Re: [CH] Early Scottish Chile Madness...???
Re: [CH] Early Scottish Chile Madness...???
Re: [CH] dehydrated chili
RE: [CH] Re-using Seed Trays
Re: [CH] dehydrated chili
Re: [CH] dehydrated chili
Re: [CH] dehydrated chili
Re: [CH] Early Scottish Chile Madness... V8 #657
[CH] Pepper seed swap
RE: [CH] delurking
Re: [CH] Early Scottish Chile Madness... V8 #657
RE: [CH] Yatsafusa vs. Japones vs. de Arbol
Re: [CH] delurking
[CH] Intensive Planting
Re: [CH] Early Scottish Chile Madness... V8 #657
Re: [CH] Intensive Planting
RE: [CH] Intensive Planting
[CH] Reply to Intensive Gardening Question
Re: [CH] delurking
Re: [CH] Intensive Planting
Re: [CH] delurking
Re: [CH] delurking
Re: [CH] delurking
Re: [CH] delurking
Re: [CH] Intensive Planting
[CH] Pace salsa confession
[CH] Churritos de Maiz
RE: [CH] Pace salsa confession
Re: [CH] Intensive Planting
Re: [CH] Re-using Seed Trays
Re: [CH] Open Fields
Re: [CH] Open Fields [Checked by NAI at US SMTP Gateway]
Re: [CH] Open Fields
Re: [CH] Open Fields - Correction
Re: [CH] Open Fields [Checked by NAI at US SMTP Gateway]
[CH] SUPER PEPPERS
Re: [CH] SUPER PEPPERS
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:23:18 -0500
From: "The NorthEast ChileMan" <thenortheastchileman@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Hi all, I'm back...
Welcome back jocelyn, after a five month hiatus. Not finished with
schoolwork already? And a bit later starting seeds this season? Resend me
your snail mail addy & I'll send some seeds.
Yours in heat,
Paul
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dygurkem _" <dygurkem@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 18 February, 2003 10:26 PM
Subject: [CH] Hi all, I'm back...
> Just wanted to say hi again, since I've been off the list for a little
> while..... glad to be back, and hope to have fun again.... I've prepared
for
> next season, going to search some seeds next week....
>
> p.s. finally found out how to remove HTML format, thanks to the automatic
> reply from the list....
>
> jocelyn
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:09:53 +0000 (GMT)
From: "W.A. Sawford" <was1000@cus.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [CH] Early Scottish Chile Madness...???
Hi to John and the list,
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, CallCentreVoice wrote:
> Hi everyone, from a rather chilly Scottish riviera...
>
Had to de-lurk to answer this one. John, you and I talked chiles some
years back - you probably won't remember me, but I don't know anyone else
who had a hab plant called Hayley!
You're way ahead of me on the seed front - I was thinking of cracking mine
off in a couple of weeks time, and I'm several hundred miles south of you.
But as you've got added heat and light, sounds good to me.
> seeds, mainly governed by what I could get hold of - 'super' habanero,
What is 'super' hab exactly?
> overwinter '98/99. If I get anything like her yields from my estimated
> 100 plants this year, I'm going to be stuck for ideas about what to do
> with the pods...
>
Sounds like you could be in for a seriously interesting time!
This year I've got seed for bonnets, cayenne, New Mex, Caribbean red hot,
padron, datil, rocoto, something I'm not sure of that I call 'Orange
fruity', and various Thai chiles.
Any other UK 'Heads with plans for the chile season?
All the best,
Wendy
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 04:10:19 -0800 (PST)
From: "Joan McCutcheon" <joan@mccutcheon.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Early Scottish Chile Madness...???
Hi John,
Well, I am another Scot who grows Chiles although, not
in Scotland.
I live in Amsterdam, NL and grew Chiles last year for
the first time. I had 200 plants in all of 12
different varieties. A lot were given away as presents
and I sold some at Queens day here in Amsterdam.
We too used propogators which worked very well. I like
your idea of the lamps. Were they special ones?
There must be some market gardener growing chiles in
Greenhouses as I noticed in Lupe Pintos, Leven Street
mexican store in Edinburgh fresh pods for sale. I
think the guy said that they grew them in East Lothian.
So, you are not the only mad scot growing chiles,
although, as you say, the scottish weather is not kind
for growing chiles.
Joannie
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> Hi everyone, from a rather chilly Scottish riviera...
>
> AFter a lay-off last year whilst T. and I moved home,
I
> was champing at
> the bit to start my 2003 chile plants. Of course,
> living in Scotland I
> don't have what you'd call a 'sympathetic climate' so
I
> guess I must have
> been pretty mad to start the first of the seeds off in
> mid January :-)
> Nearly all the seeds germinated easily within one to
> two weeks, using a
> heated propagator (fairly cheap; I've had one for
> around 5 years but this
> year have added a second small one and a new larger
> one, such is my
> obsession to ramp up the quantities). So, now that we
> sit a couple of
> weeks shy of March, I've around 40 small plants, none
> larger than 4" tall,
> but all in excellent condition. I planted a whole
host
> of different
> seeds, mainly governed by what I could get hold of -
> 'super' habanero,
> jalapeno, cherry, tabasco, dundicut (thanks Graeme
> C@Chile Heads UK),
> bonnets, a variety called 'firecracker' and plenty of
> reserved seeds from
> the few varieties of chiles that it's possible to buy
> in the UK.
>
> Having done a bit of background, I decided to invest
in
> a pair of small
> 18" 20w flourescent (~100w tungsten equiv.?) tubes
> which provide the
> plants with light during the day (with vents on prop
> cover open fully) and
> at night the lights are turned off and the heated base
> turned on. To
> maximise the light, I drape some tinfoil loosely over
> each light,
> carefully leaving the vents uncovered for
ventilation.
> Though I've read
> that this can create hotspots, so far it's worked
well.
> Each plant is now
> relishing this 'routine' and I'm beginning to worry
> that I've started too
> early, as though I have a frost-protected greenhouse
> (thermostatically
> controlled electric fan heater helps), it's still too
> cold - soil temps
> reach a lofty 7C and air temps can dip to freezing).
>
> So, that's it started. The second phase - including
> Guajillo, Cayenne,
> some sweet bells and some seeds extracted from a
ristra
> of 'unknown'
> aji-like chiles which I brought back from Barcelona in
> October '01 - is
> now planted, though for reasons of abject laziness
I've
> planted directly
> into 2" peat pots and placed them on the prop base,
> rather than using seed
> trays - I think this should work and avoid the trauma
> of transplantation,
> though the first phase didn't bat any of their
communal
> eyelids at this.
>
> Most exciting for me is the promise of a plentiful
> supply of fresh chiles
> (along with tomatoes, garlic, salad onions, beans and
> herbs which are
> either planted in the greenhouse or in pots) for the
> summer and autumn,
> but in the meantime it's all about the waiting game.
> The plan for me is
> to either get hold of a macro lens for the camera or
> buy a cheap
> macro-capable digital camera and start logging the
> plants progress.
>
> I was wondering if there were any other Scots on the
> list - or am I the
> most northenly UK chile-head? The growing season here
> may be short and at
> odds with the chiles native climate, but the
greenhouse
> and a bit of TLC
> should help. It takes me back to my first plants,
> grown in 1996 - one
> Habanero, Hayley, grown from seeds obtained by a
chance
> encounter with
> fresh habs in the supermarket, produced 6 pods in her
> first year and 70
> (!!!) in her second. Sadly, in her third year she was
> barren, and died
> overwinter '98/99. If I get anything like her yields
> from my estimated
> 100 plants this year, I'm going to be stuck for ideas
> about what to do
> with the pods...
>
> So, not really a question, more of a 'status update'
> and hopefully some of
> you guys can give me some tips for keeping the chile
> plants in tip-top
> condition ready for the last frost - which could be
> April...
>
> Hoots from the Fife Riviera, hovering around -1C with
a
> wind-chill taking
> it down to -5C,
>
> John
Joan McCutcheon
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:43:33 -0600
From: "Love2Troll" <Love2Troll@kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] dehydrated chili
Couldn't be easier and is just like using wood chips. I soak the cobs in a
bucket of water for an hour or two and place in the electric smoker's smoke
pan. Same thing for my charcoal & gas grills.
It doesn't take long for the smoke to flavor whatever you are BBQing or
smoking. I especially like corn cobs for pork and fish.
L2T
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Frank J. Hashek
To: Love2Troll ; chile-heads
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:05 PM
Subject: RE: [CH] dehydrated chili
I'll try almost anything once. Please advise method.
fjh
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And now for something completely different... Corncobs. Field corn, not
sweet corn. The ones with a tinge of red cob color. This will give a sweet
taste. Very distinctive & very good.
JohnT
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 07:14:49 -0600
From: RBoulden@natco-us.com
Subject: RE: [CH] Re-using Seed Trays
Damping off is a fungus that attacks young seedlings. I've had plenty of
it. When you check on your plants, some of them look like something ate
thru the stem and the top of the seedling topples over. It's dead. You
must remove these ASAP or it will spread like wildfire to other seedlings.
Eventually you have little or nothing to plant.
The chamomile tea has solved this for me this year. I fill a 1 gallon
watering bucket with water. I boil 1 mug of water and add 3 chamomile tea
bags. Steep 10 min or so. Then toss the bags, pour the tea in the watering
bucket, and water the seedlings. Good luck.
- -----Original Message-----
From: T. Matthew Evans [mailto:matt.evans@ce.gatech.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:57 PM
To: Robert Farr; RisaG
Cc: tucker; Chile-heads@globalgarden.com
Subject: RE: [CH] Re-using Seed Trays
Would you mind elaborating on damp off? I'm not exactly sure what this is.
As for the "half-strength shot of chamomile tea", how do you accomplish
this? Several list members have suggested this (in this thread and others),
but I have never been exactly sure what the deal was. Thanks.
Matt
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
T. Matthew Evans
Research Assistant
Geosystems Group, School of CEE
Georgia Institute of Technology
URL: www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte964w ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Farr [mailto:rbfarr@erols.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:49 PM
To: RisaG
Cc: T. Matthew Evans; tucker; Chile-heads@globalgarden.com
Subject: Re: [CH] Re-using Seed Trays
Hmmmmm - I never scrub my trays, haven't had a dis/ease prob. yet! Anyone
else out there have disease when you don't wash yr trays???
BTW, if I raise 'em inside, the wet conditions are conducive to damp off.
To treat, I turn on the overhead fan, and give 'em all a half-strength shot
of chamomille tea.
I b'live this was Lord Byron's recommendation. And boy does it work well -
- --
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:44:17 -0500
From: jim@wildpepper.com
Subject: Re: [CH] dehydrated chili
Hobby brings up a good point here about moving the lid back a bit-
You need to remember that you are not 'smoking' your chiles. You are
'smoke DRYING' your chiles. Smokers are not set up to have the air
exchanges necessary to do a good job. For the best results, you should
occasionally remove the lid entirely to allow the excess moisture to
escape. This allows you to dry in a fraction of the time and also to
smoke at lower temperatures.
- -Jim C
Mild to Wild
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:59:02 -0500
From: Chad A Gard <gard@indy.net>
Subject: Re: [CH] dehydrated chili
On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 07:54 PM, Love2Troll wrote:
> And now for something completely different... Corncobs. Field corn,
> not sweet corn. The ones with a tinge of red cob color. This will
> give a sweet taste. Very distinctive & very good.
I also frequently smoke with corn cobs. Not only is it a great flavor,
but, around here, at least, they're free and readily available.
Chad A Gard
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:32:36 -0600
From: "Love2Troll" <Love2Troll@kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] dehydrated chili
> Hobby brings up a good point here
> about moving the lid back a bit-
> You need to remember that you are not
> 'smoking' your chiles. You are 'smoke
> DRYING' your chiles.
It is a good point. And I wired a $3.46 rheostat into the cord in order to
lower the temperature.
This $59 smoker took a lot of experimenting with to get things just right &
I was fortunate to have input from others with similar outfits. It was an
inexpensive outfit to play with and worked better than my Ducane gas grill &
Weber charcoal kettle. Certainly isn't a commercial unit. My best results
were when I smoked the halved pods in the smoker for 8-10 hours and
finishing up in my dehydrator if I wanted them for powder and flakes. It
actually doesn't take long at all to impart a smoky flavor.
JohnT
- ----- Original Message -----
From: jim@wildpepper.com
To: Hobby Farmer
Cc: chile-heads
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [CH] dehydrated chili
Hobby brings up a good point here about moving the lid back a bit-
You need to remember that you are not 'smoking' your chiles. You are
'smoke DRYING' your chiles. Smokers are not set up to have the air
exchanges necessary to do a good job. For the best results, you should
occasionally remove the lid entirely to allow the excess moisture to
escape. This allows you to dry in a fraction of the time and also to
smoke at lower temperatures.
- -Jim C
Mild to Wild
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:39:32 -0500
From: Cameron Begg <begg.4@osu.edu>
Subject: Re: [CH] Early Scottish Chile Madness... V8 #657
Hi C-H's,
>I was wondering if there were any other Scots on the list
Yes.
> - or am I the
>most northenly UK chile-head?
Maybe. I'm down at 40deg N (like Madrid) in the US.
>Hoots from the Fife Riviera, hovering around -1C with a wind-chill taking
>it down to -5C
Glad you're enjoying an early Spring. It doesn't get cold in
Scotland, but it's pretty strong contender in the wet and miserable
department!
You need a lean-too greenhouse pointing towards EDI and chile growing
will be easy in the long daylight Summer months.
- --
- ---
Regards, Cameron.
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:53:21 -0500
From: "Dannie Scates" <dannies@midohio.net>
Subject: [CH] Pepper seed swap
Anyone that would like to swap open pollinated pepper seed please e-mail
me off list.
Thank You
Dannie Scates
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:32:52 -0800
From: "Riley J. McIntire" <Riley@ChileGarden.com>
Subject: RE: [CH] delurking
> From: Sandy Olson
> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:41 PM
> Welcome, Norman...As with all newbies I hope you are one who will
> swell the
> ranks (that's me, Erich and a few others whose names escape me at the
> moment) of those who embrace the moderate position regarding peppers. We
"Moderate position"? Don't think I've tried that one. . .
> love our hot stuff...and are really quite hot ourselves....but don't like
> pain and suffering for the most part.
> SandyO
> CH #1146, of the moderate persuasion
Sigh. O Sandy, what's a meal without pain? No pain, no gain!
Welcome to the list, Norman!
Hot regards,
Riley
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:43:35 -0800
From: "Dave Anderson" <chilehead@tough-love.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Early Scottish Chile Madness... V8 #657
> >I was wondering if there were any other Scots on the list
>
> Yes.
>
> > - or am I the
> >most northenly UK chile-head?
You might me the most northern UK member of chile-heads, but I've sold chile
seeds to a UK customer in the Orkney Islands. I'm not sure who my most
northern
customer has been, but it's probably someone from Fairbanks Alaska which is
about
5 degrees farther north than most of the civilized world.
For farthest south it looks like the Falkland Islands (Malvinas to some
folka) and I'm
not sure how east and west would be measured. From Greenwich, from the
International date line, or from western Nevada where I'm located at about
119.75
West Longitude?
Dave Anderson
TLCC
http://www.tough-love.com
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:14:26 -0800
From: "Riley J. McIntire" <Riley@ChileGarden.com>
Subject: RE: [CH] Yatsafusa vs. Japones vs. de Arbol
> T. Matthew Evans wrote:
> > <snip> Last year, I grew yatsafusa, japones, and de arbol. To my
> > recollection, all three plants and all three chiles were very
> > similar, but I did not taste all three side by side by side. If
> Well, Matt, I can give you my point of view, for what its worth....
>
> I would go with the de arbols, since we use a lot of them in Mexican
> dishes, and they are the ones called for in the recipes - we know we are
> getting the correct flavor for the dish.
> Hobby Farmer
Matt,
Just to second Bob's comment, DeArbols are a must for Mexican food,
especially posole. OTOH, although we have a small plant for fresh, the
dried are so easy to come by (at least around LA) and most of our recipes
specify dried anyway. So if space was limited we'd probably plant something
else.
Good luck,
Riley
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:31:06 -0700
From: "VoodooChile" <rael64@qwest.net>
Subject: Re: [CH] delurking
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 11:32 AM, Riley J. McIntire wrote:
>> From: Sandy Olson
>> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:41 PM
>
>> Welcome, Norman...As with all newbies I hope you are one who will
>> swell the
>> ranks (that's me, Erich and a few others whose names escape me at the
>> moment) of those who embrace the moderate position regarding peppers.
>> We
>
> "Moderate position"? Don't think I've tried that one. . .
The "Moderate position":
She: prone, one knee bent, toe in your mouth, the other leg curved to
where toe is, well...
He: on knees sucking toes which have chiles (jalapenos or serranos)
betwixt.
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:47:13 -0500
From: "T. Matthew Evans" <matt.evans@ce.gatech.edu>
Subject: [CH] Intensive Planting
Hi All –
Hopefully y’all aren’t getting too tired of my questions yet. I am
attempting to grow many more chile plants this season than ever before.
Last year (my first from seed), I grew about 40-50 plants. In the years
before that, I grew 10-12 plants each year. This year, I should have
upwards of 200 chile plants. How quickly a nice little hobby can get away
from you….but, I digress.
I realize that many of you will grow 10 or 100 times more chiles than I will
this year, but I am having a problem nonetheless. My problem is: where the
@$%* am I going to put all of these plants?!? I remember reading on this
list some time ago that there was once a study that showed planting at
18-inch spacings decreased yield relative to 12- or 24-inch spacings
(counterintuitive, I know). Have any of you worked with very intensive
plantings? I mean, six to eight inches apart? I have heard of folks doing
this with gardens in general, but not specifically chiles.
At any rate, if anyone has experience with this type of planting or if y’all
have any other suggestions to maximize space in my garden, I would be most
grateful. Thanks again.
Matt
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
T. Matthew Evans
Research Assistant
Geosystems Group, School of CEE
Georgia Institute of Technology
URL: www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte964w <http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte964w>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:03:58 -0800
From: Doug Irvine <dougandmarie@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [CH] Early Scottish Chile Madness... V8 #657
Dave Anderson wrote:
>>
>
>
> You might me the most northern UK member of chile-heads, but I've sold
chile
> seeds to a UK customer in the Orkney Islands. I'm not sure who my most
northern
> customer has been, but it's probably someone from Fairbanks Alaska which
is about
> 5 degrees farther north than most of the civilized world.
>
> For farthest south it looks like the Falkland Islands (Malvinas to some
folka) and I'm
> not sure how east and west would be measured. From Greenwich, from the
> International date line, or from western Nevada where I'm located at about
119.75
> West Longitude?
>
> Dave Anderson
> TLCC
> http://www.tough-love.com
>
I vote for Reno! Or even Vancouver Island! :-)) Doug in BC
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:40:37 -0800
From: "Nels Peterson family" <npkp4jp@polarcomm.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Intensive Planting
>> My problem is: where the @$%* am I going to put all of these plants?!?
I've been successful with the following:
Raised beds, 48" Plastic mulch, twin rows 12" apart, plants staggered 12" in
rows, rows 18"-24"apart, drip tape under the plastic 4" to 6" deep between
the rows. Works for Jalapeno, Anaheim, Bell, Cayenne, etc.
Nels in ND
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:28:27 -0500
From: "Ces" <ces@preferred.com>
Subject: RE: [CH] Intensive Planting
I have done 1 plant per sq ft. for years and they seem to produce fine. I
tend to follow the Sq ft. method as taught by Mel Bartholomew of the old PBS
series. He's also written a couple of books.
http://www.squarefootgardening.com/
Charlie
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-chile-heads@globalgarden.com
[mailto:owner-chile-heads@globalgarden.com]On Behalf Of Nels Peterson
family
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:41 PM
To: Chile-heads
Subject: Re: [CH] Intensive Planting
>> My problem is: where the @$%* am I going to put all of these plants?!?
I've been successful with the following:
Raised beds, 48" Plastic mulch, twin rows 12" apart, plants staggered 12" in
rows, rows 18"-24"apart, drip tape under the plastic 4" to 6" deep between
the rows. Works for Jalapeno, Anaheim, Bell, Cayenne, etc.
Nels in ND
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:16:57 -0500
From: "The NorthEast ChileMan" <thenortheastchileman@attbi.com>
Subject: [CH] Reply to Intensive Gardening Question
Hi Matt,
Only 200? Wait untill your Chile Pepper Seed Package arrives, you may have
to modify that number.
Major Snippage from your post:
At any rate, if anyone has experience with this type of planting or if y'all
have any other suggestions to maximize space in my garden, I would be most
grateful. Thanks again.
I've been using Mel Bartholomew's *Square Foot Gardening* for years. The
basic premise is: More Plants=More Fruit. The traditional rows separated by
3' with 2' spacing between plants in row is great for allowing sunlight to
reach individual leaves which allows each plant to reach it's highest
fruitset potential per plant. Mel's method is to "stuff" more plants in a
given area & you will get more fruit from less area because you have more
plants. Below are a bunch of websites, & there are more:
http://members.primary.net/~silvest/garden/sqft.html
http://www.squarefootgardening.com/
http://www.aristotle.net/~shicks/sqft/
http://www.farmerbrown.org/sqft.html
http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/16723/seminar
http://journeytoforever.org/garden_sqft.html
http://cac.uvi.edu/staff/rc3/garden/sqft.html
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/sqfoot/
If that's not enough, Mel has a few books:
http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=247267&ad=58182
http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=3228578&meta_id=1
http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=257622&meta_id=1
http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=3316548&meta_id=1
I totally agree with Nels in the raised bed & drip tape under plastic mulch
method. When your working with a four foot wide raised bed that has 1 plant
per square foot, trying to weed is tough & water reaching soil because of so
many plants reduced.
If you have any more questions about my specific methods, feel free to ask!
Yours in heat,
Paul
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:31:41 -0500
From: "The NorthEast ChileMan" <thenortheastchileman@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] delurking
> >> moment) of those who embrace the moderate position regarding peppers.
> >> We
> >
> > "Moderate position"? Don't think I've tried that one. . .
>
> The "Moderate position":
>
> She: prone, one knee bent, toe in your mouth, the other leg curved to
> where toe is, well...
> He: on knees sucking toes which have chiles (jalapenos or serranos)
> betwixt.
Now your not going to scare another newbie away with such talk, Rael?
HUMMM? Who was the last one? Oh well he's gone anyway.
Paul
Snip:
> Email for snail mail address to order my booklet: Brother Rael's
> Positions of Prayer
> Only $50 donation!! Signed copies available (additional donation
> required).
Suppose he actually has a religion, other than yours? Should he send you a
booklet that might show you the error of your ways?
NAWWWWWWW!!!
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "VoodooChile" <rael64@qwest.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February, 2003 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [CH] delurking
>
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 11:32 AM, Riley J. McIntire wrote:
>
> >> From: Sandy Olson
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:41 PM
> >
> >> Welcome, Norman...As with all newbies I hope you are one who will
> >> swell the
> >> ranks (that's me, Erich and a few others whose names escape me at the
>
>
> Blessings to all.
>
> Peace, Hendrix, and Chiles.......
>
> Rael64
> Monk of the TCS
> Mystic Order of Capsicum Rogues
> Keeper of the Faith
> and a Towel...
> Cave Canem
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:09:21 -0800
From: Doug Irvine <dougandmarie@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [CH] Intensive Planting
AND because ittiz 90 below F where you is and those aforementioned beds
are buried under 50 ft of snoooo, they aint gonna see summer until
November....and then we start all over again! At least Matt is in Joejah
where the temp is much more moderate....:-)) Cheers, Doug in BC
Nels Peterson family wrote:
>>>My problem is: where the @$%* am I going to put all of these plants?!?
>>
>
>
> I've been successful with the following:
>
> Raised beds, 48" Plastic mulch, twin rows 12" apart, plants staggered 12"
in
> rows, rows 18"-24"apart, drip tape under the plastic 4" to 6" deep
between
> the rows. Works for Jalapeno, Anaheim, Bell, Cayenne, etc.
>
> Nels in ND
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 23:39:17 -0500
From: "John Benz Fentner, Jr." <johnfentner@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] delurking
VoodooChile wrote:
> The "Moderate position":
>
> She: prone, one knee bent, toe in your mouth, the other leg curved to
> where toe is, well...
> He: on knees sucking toes which have chiles (jalapenos or serranos)
> betwixt.
Note that this is the "Moderate Position" only because it omits the
traditional trapeze and livestock. It is suitable for interior portions
of the nation populated by Republicans and other boring people who eat
Pace products.
JB
Certain portions of Indiana excepted, of course.
- --
*********************************
John Benz Fentner, Jr.
Unionville, Connecticut, USA
"Lex Non Favet Delicatorum Votis"
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:02:00 -0700
From: "VoodooChile" <rael64@qwest.net>
Subject: Re: [CH] delurking
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 09:39 PM, John Benz Fentner, Jr.
wrote:
> VoodooChile wrote:
>
>> The "Moderate position":
>> She: prone, one knee bent, toe in your mouth, the other leg curved to
>> where toe is, well...
>> He: on knees sucking toes which have chiles (jalapenos or serranos)
>> betwixt.
>
>
>
> Note that this is the "Moderate Position" only because it omits the
> traditional trapeze and livestock. It is suitable for interior
> portions of the nation populated by Republicans and other boring
> people who eat Pace products.
damn, yer cold. Shoulda been a lawyer...
hehe...
<hey, get off my desk! damn goats...>
Peace, Hendrix, and Chiles.......
Rael64
Monk of the TCS
Master of Twister
Mystic Order of Capsicum Rogues
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:40:20 -0800
From: Doug Irvine <dougandmarie@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [CH] delurking
John Benz Fentner, Jr. wrote:
> VoodooChile wrote:
>
>> The "Moderate position":
>>
>> She: prone, one knee bent, toe in your mouth, the other leg curved to
>> where toe is, well...
>> He: on knees sucking toes which have chiles (jalapenos or serranos)
>> betwixt.
>
>
>
>
> Note that this is the "Moderate Position" only because it omits the
> traditional trapeze and livestock. It is suitable for interior portions
> of the nation populated by Republicans and other boring people who eat
> Pace products.
>
>
>
> JB
> Certain portions of Indiana excepted, of course. DO YOU REALLY THINK JIM
WOULD EAT PACE?
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:19:03 +0000
From: "Alex Silbajoris" <asilbajo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] delurking
>From: "John Benz Fentner, Jr." <johnfentner@attbi.com>
>Note that this is the "Moderate Position" only because it omits the
>traditional trapeze and livestock.
Well, I don't know whether a Chile-Head Circus would work, but personally,
I'd skip the Ring of Fire acts.
- - A
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:08:36 -0600
From: "Mike Benson" <mbens@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Intensive Planting
> Raised beds, 48" Plastic mulch, twin rows 12" apart, plants
staggered 12" in
> rows, rows 18"-24"apart, drip tape under the plastic 4" to 6" deep
between
> the rows.
What is "drip tape"? Is that like a soaker hose?
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:53:52 -0600
From: "Love2Troll" <Love2Troll@kc.rr.com>
Subject: [CH] Pace salsa confession
Well, I like Pace & buy the 64oz Chunky Salsa quite often even though it
only remotely resembles the original heat & taste by the time I get done
doctoring it up. And the price is pretty hard to beat for a poor GM
pensioner like me. I pressure can, freeze & dry hot peppers and it is so
easy to add them along with other ingredients. I often add cheese, garlic,
fresh Mexican oregano, crumbled ground beef and/or sausage & chopped onions.
When my folks lived in Texas they used to bring me cases of the Mexican
version of Herdez salsa and that was pretty darn good. The stateside
version was much milder. This was during the 70s and early 80s.
Doesn't have to be expensive to be good.
Just my 2¢
JohnT
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:35:03 -0600
From: Rob Solarion <solarion@1starnet.com>
Subject: [CH] Churritos de Maiz
Greetings. This is a delicious little snack if you like Fritoes.
MEXSNAX
Corn Churritos de Maiz
Chile Flavored Corn Stixs
Made by Gonzalez Food Products, Dallas, Texas
tel. 214-748-8225
$1.69 a package at my Supermercado Mexicano
They essentially taste like Fritoes, but they are a lot spicier than
Fritoes. They are tubular-shaped and curved.
If you can find them, they are worth trying once. You might love them. Rob
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:05:38 -0800
From: "Riley J. McIntire" <Riley@ChileGarden.com>
Subject: RE: [CH] Pace salsa confession
> Well, I like Pace & buy the 64oz Chunky Salsa quite often even
> though it only remotely resembles the original heat & taste by
> the time I get done doctoring it up. And the price is pretty
> Doesn't have to be expensive to be good.
>
> Just my 2¢
>
> JohnT
We sometimes get the "Hot Pace" [sic] too. Usually if I'm going to spend
time on salsa I'll make my own (or talk Mary into making it! ;-) ) so I
don't doctor the pace. The main reason I get it is as quick and easy salad
dressing. Get a bag of salad, dump a cup of pace on it and it's pretty
good--a real quick, easy and healthy side. Sauté up some fresh chiles,
onions, shallots and turkey in olive oil with some red wine, roll in a thick
hot corn tortilla and that's lunch.
Hot regards,
Riley
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:59:46 -0800
From: "Nels Peterson family" <npkp4jp@polarcomm.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Intensive Planting
Yeah -- somewhat -- it is sold in farm supply stores and garden stores --
you bury it and run the water through to the plant roots.
I know of some people that do use the pourus soaker hoses as permanent drip
tape.
Nels in ND
- ----- Original Message ----- , drip tape under the plastic 4" to 6" deep
> between
> > the rows.
>
> What is "drip tape"? Is that like a soaker hose?
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:21:47 -0600
From: tucker <tucker@ticon.net>
Subject: Re: [CH] Re-using Seed Trays
"T. Matthew Evans" wrote:
> This brings up an interesting point - I was going to start seeds last
night,
> but then I recalled that I had read somewhere that one should always use
> impeccably clean trays for seed starting. I checked the back of the seed
> mix bag and it said the same thing. ...
>
> What has been the experience of the list? Do you re-use seed trays,
etc.?...
> Thanks.
> Matt
I suppose it depends on what you do with your plants. I think for your
average Joe, who's just growing a small number of plants for his / her own
use,
maybe it doesn't really matter. Unless maybe you had some problems last
year
that you can trace back to when they were that young, and you have
suspicions
about the trays. I've always just rinsed them with a hose after I'm through
with them, and thrown them in the garage 'til the next year. No problems so
far.
Erich
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:46:48 -0600
From: tucker <tucker@ticon.net>
Subject: Re: [CH] Open Fields
jim@wildpepper.com wrote:
> Here is a listing of what will be available: in no particular order-
>
> ... Mutant Jalapeno, ...
>
> -Jim C
> Mild to Wild
???????
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:27:57 -0500
From: "Sheryl Chatfield" <chatfield_sl@willis.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Open Fields [Checked by NAI at US SMTP Gateway]
tucker@ticon.net wrote:
jim@wildpepper.com wrote:
> Here is a listing of what will be available: in no particular order-
>
> ... Mutant Jalapeno, ...
>
> -Jim C
> Mild to Wild
???????
didn't they used to have a TV show? (teenage) Mutant (ninja) Jalapenos?
they were green, that much I remember.
sl chatfield
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:21:49 -0600
From: "Mike Benson" <mbens@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Open Fields
> > ... Mutant Jalapeno, ...
>
> ???????
I think these are also known as Chilepeno, a hybrid pepper. They are
huge for a jalapeno, and a little milder and sweeter.
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:54:04 -0600
From: "Mike Benson" <mbens@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Open Fields - Correction
> I think these are also known as Chilepeno
Actually it's spelled Chilipeno or Chilipeño.
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:53:46 -0600
From: tucker <tucker@ticon.net>
Subject: Re: [CH] Open Fields [Checked by NAI at US SMTP Gateway]
Sheryl Chatfield wrote:
> didn't they used to have a TV show? (teenage) Mutant (ninja) Jalapenos?
> they were green, that much I remember.
>
> sl chatfield
Well, I think you might be thinking of turtles, but yep. ;-))) Cheesy
kids
show, and movies, based on a comic that wasn't something you would probably
want young kids reading. Kinda' like The Toxic Crusaders, I would suppose.
Never saw an episode of that one, but I still can't believe they made a
cartoon based on the movie.
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:43:32 -0600 (CST)
From: Sooner54@webtv.net (Fred Morris)
Subject: [CH] SUPER PEPPERS
Maybe I've been reading too many of Rael's posts and I'm starting to
think kind of different. But, just suppose you fed your seedlings some
pepper extract along with the chamomile tea, would they grow up to be
super peppers? Or would they just scream in pain and keel over?
Fred the habaneronut
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:20:47 -0700
From: "VoodooChile" <rael64@qwest.net>
Subject: Re: [CH] SUPER PEPPERS
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 09:43 PM, Fred Morris wrote:
>
> Maybe I've been reading too many of Rael's posts and I'm starting to
> think kind of different. But, just suppose you fed your seedlings some
> pepper extract along with the chamomile tea, would they grow up to be
> super peppers? Or would they just scream in pain and keel over?
if they keel over, that's when you bring out the electric
toothbrush...unless they keel over *because* of the electric
toothbrush, then you'll have to give them the chamomile tea, or maybe
ginseng...of course, if you really hear them scream, ask 'em if Hal is
there, because he owes me 20 bucks...tell him I said pay up or off with
his head...sheeeeet, here comes the Black Queen poking in the pile...
(my shoe!)
(really, I'm sober...just been reading too much Kant...if you listen
closely, you can hear my brain cells screaming...all 92 of them, what?
oh, 91...damn...)
Peace, Hendrix, and Chiles.......
Rael"...do you smoke the corn cobs? a ya ya yaaaaa ya..."64
Monk of the TCS
Mystic Order of Capsicum Rogues
Keeper of the Faith
and a Towel...
Cave Canem
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