Dave, do you grow any of your own seeds? I wonder if you could contract with growers to grow OP varieties for you. I've obtained many varieties via seed swapping, but I have few whose lineage I tried to restrict. Perhaps with a concerted effort at growing true, growers could supply enough seed for commercial use. I hate to see varieties of good chiles disappear. Margaret L Hi Brent and everyone else: I 'm always on the lookout for new seed varieties to offer and I'm convinced that Asia has basically abandoned older Open Pollinated varieties and gone Hybrid. I have a beautiful seed catalog from Tokita Seed Co Ltd of Nakagawa Japan and of the 11 varieties listed, 10 are F1 hybrids. The one open pollinated variety is Santaka. The catalog is a couple of years old, so I don't know if Tokita still offers Santaka. The english version of their web site only mentions varieties of a couple of other veggies. I do have a source for Santaka and offer it at my web site. I've run into the same problem trying to find OP varieties in China and India. While I don't have an objection to F1 hybrids and even offer a few varieties, I've always been a fan of people being able to save their own seeds. The other problems with hybrid varieties is that they often aren't around for very long unless they sell extremely well and of course they cost about 100 times more than OP varieties. I'm extremely concerned about the possibility of Genetic Modification of Peppers. While I'm not aware that it's been done, it's certainly in the mission statements of a lot of big seed companies. Dave Anderson TLCC http://www.tough-love.com