I can help out on one item. GNS did not let their pvp expire. The trademark registry requires a second filing between the 7th & 8th years of ownership- basically a 'yeah I'm still using it and it's active' type of thing. Their PREVIOUS lawyer didn't follow through on that & there was a temporary lapse in the (R) & (TM). That has since been corrected and all is in good shape. Here's a thought I'll throw open to the list. Just a thought. If things don't work out, maybe we can pick the order for Grey Bear at the open fields & then all they have are the costs of sending them out. Still substantial for shipping, but might work out to be cheaper. any thoughts? -Jim C Mild to Wild BTW- Extreme Cuisine is supposed to be airing the show that I was on again sometime this week. It ran Sunday I guess (from the volume of e-mails!) & is supposed to air again according to one of the e-mails received.