Not all the members of the Hellfire Brigade out there are list members. In another forum (FIDO Cooking, where chilies are generally respected and admired) I've seen the following in the past few days.... An engineer proving once and for all that chilies activate the heat sensors in the mouth giving an illusionary burn without actually burning by experimentally applying sliced chilies to his gums right after dental work, while still frozen. No heat sensation; also no inflammation . Another crazy: "Remember the night I chopped up all those hot peppers? I took a shower before going to bed that night and got warm all over. Painfully warm, in fact, in places that don't get much sun. I knew I coudn't do anything about it so I waited it out; in about 20 minutes it was almost, you know, kinda warm and enjoyable." And: -> YKYAACHI.... ...you actually think there's a market for Capsaicin Love Oil. So no, not all the crazies live here. <G> Cheers YK Jim