Jim and Fellow ChDs, Thank you for the voice of reason Jim, and a most erudite response. To be sure, boiled tobakky ain't raw but it's still a lousy meal, for bugs. As you say, to each his/her own. This tobakky stuff is like arguing about the death penalty or abortion or school prayer. I use the Jerry Baker formula as Byron does, it eliminates grazers from the garden. 100,000 posts won't deter me. It works. And, I do eat garlic and was bitten by a vampire. Gareth