I had 100% germination (4 seeds) using a heated seed flat at 85F. Two of the plants are over a foot tall with beautiful leaves but no buds yet. The other two are very stunted (no more than 4 inches tall) but seem to be holding on. I posted a few weeks ago how the leaves on these plants smell exactly like the fruit they produce. In comparison, the Red savinas are about 2 feet tall with a dozen or so buds on each. Orange habs are a foot tall with many buds forming. Cayennes are just now ripening (picked my first one on Thursday), and same goes for the Thai's. We've been having incredible weather here in Southern Cal for the past few weeks which is welcomed since the Spring was cold and overcast. Thank You Cameron! CH-eers -- Robert Lusk: The Pepper Fool http://www.PepperFool.com Recipes, Hot Sauce, Photos, Restaurant Reviews and more..