In a message dated 9/99 Eastern Daylight Time, ROYSTIE writes: << By the way. I'm kind of curious that there are several "persons" on this list that just happen to keep trumpeting how great "your" seeds are, but no mention of anyone else's seeds, and of course you're here too. >> Does "persons" in quotes mean that we aren't really people, Roystie? Do you think Dave is writing to himself? Just what is your issue as it relates to Chiles, anyway? You mentioned PepperJoe <<one of the best seed suppliers in the nation yet there is nar a mention of him.>> I can't speak for anyone else, and I think PJ's organics are probably wonderful - but - When I went shopping for seeds last January, PJ was charging about .40 per seed for Peter Peppers (10 @ 3.99) and .20 a seed for Giant Serranos (15 @ 2.99) plus 2.50 for shipping. Dave at Tough-Love was (and is) charging: "Most packets contain 20 seeds. Prices per packet are US $1.00 each and discounted if you purchase any of our collections. Some rare or expensive varieties including Hybrids contain 10 seeds per packet." That would be .05 to .10 per seed, yes? Also, Dave had every seed that I wanted to try, available for purchase (Guajillos and Chimayos, as well as Big Jim). PJ didn't. Dave at Tough-Love replaced my Chimayo seeds even though they sprouted and grew for a while before succumbing to God knows what. Obviously, he didn't have to do that, in fact I told him not to bother. But he replaced them anyway. If you think this is some conspiracy among Dave and his friends, then I feel sorry for you. I am a "person." I'm even a person. I resent your tone, deeply. Gareth the ChileKnight (tilting at broken seeds)