Well, my favorite Knight of the Non-Creosoted Habanero Table, I remembered it was a warmed up discussion that's one reason I asked for off list replies. I didn't remember my kind knight got his fanny burned, though, sorry. (That mailing just doesn't protect from flame enough, does it?). Here's my question, so anyone with input please contact me off list since it is also slightly off topic in this case. Our subdivision has a lake they are building and they are suggesting using old "creosoted" poles to build a bulkhead for a small island in the middle. Since we will be stocking with fish and eventually folks will be eating those, I was concerned about the choice of creosoted poles based on the list discussion I thought I remembered. We also have lots of deer and other wildlife that will drink from this lake. The property owners board of directors' research into this issue that I raised about the potential toxicity consisted of their asking the seller -- uh, duh, guess what? He said they were old enough and had not much creosote left so they would be ok to use [this may be true (as you suggest, too, Gareth...how much weathering do you think is enough?)], but I would have appreciated research thru one with no vested interest in the outcome. All opinions welcome and especially any urls or documentation would be very helpful. Deb in Houston -- Gareth, the ChileKnight in Shining armor (except for the small blackened patch) wrote: <<Deb,WHAT ?? You like it when KC Scott and I get flamed? We extolled both creosoted and pressure treated after a little weathering. We agreed that the sawdust should not be used on breakfast cereal. But, at least one of us noted that charred (blowtorched) wood also holds up well in garden applications (raised beds) and won't draw the ire of the "death by chemistry" set. Gareth the ChileKnight>>