Microsoft (MS=monsterspit) has made IE 4.0 available on a CD-ROM holiday special for $4.95 -- it includes Front-page, Net meeting, and lots of other goodies. It can be ordered from their download page. I had put off the upgrade all these months because: I didn't think I could sustain a connection to my ISP long enough for the 22M download, and because PR about IE 4.0 gives the impression that MS takes over your desktop and your life, and I had no interest in active channels, and because I was quite pleased with IE 3.02, I-mail, and I-news in all respects, especially with regard to Netscape 3.0 which I found a bit unwieldy with mail and news. But I ordered the CD, and received it this week. The total bill was $5.29................I had 334M to spare, and was not afraid of the 40M it was going to eat on my H-drive. Installation was seamless, and I chose the new desktop with some trepidation. The appearance and functionality appeared stupid, but I quickly found out that the multitude of bells and whistles all had numerous options, not to mention on and off switches. After a little bit of fiddling around, my desktop today appears exactly as before with two exceptions. The "favorites" list of web links appears in the start menu so that I don't have to open the browser to get to them, and four small (single click) icons have been added to my taskbar which almost make me a "power user". Outlook Express is the new combined I-mail and I-news program. At first, the configuration is worse than stupid; it is unworkable to say the least. But again, after a few minutes of fiddling with the options and the layout, I find it superior in functionality to all of the mail and news programs I have used in the past. There are too many improvements to enumerate, but since this is what we do most of all, i.e. mail and news, I wanted to report to you that my fears have evaporated. It does import your mailboxes and sorting criteria and mail files from competing software. Your responses can be typed on fancy stationery (included) or Holiday stationery (which can be downloaded), but these are useless except in private correspondence with someone who has the very latest in mail and news software. In addition, it is necessary to force mail and postings in text, otherwise it will send everything out in HTML. I tried the active channels for a lark. For persons whose computer is connected all day, you have access to every scrap of breaking news on any topic imaginable (that you specify) just as quickly as it hits the WWW. This is not for me -- I guess I'm not a power user after all; but it works. So, if you can tolerate a relationship with monsterspit, be not afraid. The version I received is actually IE 4.71, so you can see that most of the gremlins have been worked out. New computer users receiving IE 4.0 already installed are going to make some poor choices (too many options in the face of too little experience) when posting to our mail and news groups, and will have to be gently led to our traditional format with some understanding and patience (I predict). happy new year! tom zone 5a, NE Illinois, -21ºF Min http://www.anet-chi.com/~manytimes