Lindenberg's in Manitoba has a very nice perennial single hollyhock, vaRIEous clours but with some reds (wasn't that the colour you wanted? can't remember) which they claim will bloom the 1st year. I tend to trust them. They are one of the cheapest companies around - old family operation, very small scale. Seeds run .60 for most veggies to about 1.95 but most are under $1.00. Given the present exchange rates, that's very cheap for US types. This year they have a Moravian peony (fernleaf or tenufolia plena) for 19.99 -- other nurseries want 50-60.00. Some of the low cost is pretty obvious - newsprint catalogue, hiring the relatives, but it really makes me wonder about the profit margin (=greed) of some of the upscale mail order companies. Lindenbergs stuff is very reliable and their service is really good. Anyway, I'm sending them an order for a few things -- how can I not support such an enterprise? We are still keeping things simple in the garden this year. Very simple. Put a catalogue in front of my face and I pull out my checkbook. Lucinda, still looking for winter melon seeds.