>Speaking of which, now I remember what I've been wanting to tell yall >-- there's a lady one block over from me who has a 6 year old >*camelia* growing on the north side of her house. I kid you not! >That sucker is blooming right now! I saw it last week and didn't >believe my eyes so I took her a basket of forsythia stems and chatted >her up about that camelia. She doesn't do anything but throw some >straw around the base for winter protection. I almost cried when I >saw it -- Grandma had one just like it. > >Liz I've been toying with the idea of creating a microclimate on the east side of the barn just to try to get a camellia to grow here in zone 5. There are a few hardy to zone 6 these days, or so they say. BTW, what happened to everyone the past few days? I opened my email after a few days hiatus and there was an explosion on this list...from a few messages to well over 100. (Glad to see you, Rosemary!) I've got tomatoes Moskvich and Kotlas growing - about 3" high now - so we should have early tomatoes too, George. Early July, that is. My refrigerator babies have produced a few seedlings of anchusa and aconitum, so far. There's a second set still incubating at 40F and I can't wait till 5/1 when I can take them out and warm them up. I'll start some other veggies tomorrow. It may look like spring outside but around here you dare not put out tender items till May 15-30 unless you're prepared to protect them or replace them. Cheryl Cheryl Schaefer schaefer @epix.net Zone 5 in the fabulous Finger Lakes of NY