Margaret and George, Part of the problem may have been solved with the wet spot on the berm: we were working this morning on the Netafim soakers on that side. The zone is about 90 feet long, and there are four sorta parallel lines running thru the shrubery. Jimmie spotted another leak -- actually, a small guyser. Then he turned around and saw yet another leak, and he blew his cork. Cannot blame him -- he's already reaired (big job) 3 or 4 places on that line! So he demanded that we rip out all the Netafim in the area, and install new. Then EYE blew my cork. No way, Jose -- the azaleas and rhodies have grown over the lines, and it would raise Cain to rip the stuff out. Jim said we could "draw" it thru but I know what havoc it would raise. So he insisted that we then leave the lines in place, and install new ones on top. We only have 100 ft of new stuff on hand -- we'd have to buy a 1,000 foot roll to redo the job! NO! I said, no, no. Jimmie said this takes priority, and I said it does not. He is bigger and stronger than I, altho I am louder -- so we came to a standstill. I agreed to give up all the planting to get this job out of the way, provided that we did not rip out the old lines, but he would not accept that. So I told him he was fired, and thank heavens! he went inside to spend this entire glorious day reading the newspaper! Then I set about tracing the four lines (which were partially buried, and partially out of place), straightening them, lifting some over grown rhodies and breaking off nine branches in the process, cutting off one excess line and securing the end, pinning the lines to the ground with giant hairpins -- and it took me about 3 hours. That still leaves the two original holes to repair with the blowtorch... But while we were both still working there, Jimmie suddenly got soaking wet -- the zone was not turned on, nor was the neighbor watering. I realized in a flash that I had woven an auxilliary line up there in the jungle to feed extra water to the 5 P.J.M. rhodies which are there, for they always used to look wilted. I had attached a by-pass from a flower bed zone about 40 feet away. The shrubbery gets watered once a week, if there is no rain. The [annual] flower beds get watered twice a day for 10 minutes, every day. And of course, there was a hole in the Netafim within this by-pass..! Close examination points a finger at the boy who dug the holes for the new shrubs I had added. It looks as if he was not careful (or lucky) enough to avoid knicking the lines as he worked. They are laid out about 24 inches apart, and for the most part, lie on top of the ground, so I had thought one could miss them, but I guess not. So there you have it: the puddle and natural bird bath which we suddenly got was caused by the jet from the auxilliary dripper hose which went on twice a day! I have now pulled that entire line off to the side, so we can see if we will still get puddles... ............ By the way, do pussy willows like wet feet...? Penny, NY zone 6 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]