Pat, have not had even one minute to check out that Web sight, so I don't know which clerodendron I grow. Have never tried putting the plants outdoors in summer -- indoors they grow and grow and grow, right up the macrame hangers, across the soffit in the kitchen, thru the fluorescent lights....... Same thing for my Chicago daughter, Andrea. Yes, a puffy white flower with red stamens, which fade after several weeks into mauve, and remain attractive. While we were in Rochester last week, a 12-y-o huge, bright red rhododendron right at my front door decided to drop dead, with just no notice at all. That's a heartbreaker.. Will have to dig it up tomorrow, to see what's with the roots. Looks suddenly as if I'll lose two P.J.M.rhodies in the long run, as well. They happen to be very tricky to keep, and yet some people manage it. Every- thing has had underground watering during our July drought. It's sad, as Catharine said. And the strangest thing is the cucumbers: they are Burpee's Sweet Success, and they are threaded upwards thru a steel fence. All of them look like crook-necked green squash! Every cuke starts to grow downwards, and then makes a sharp turn upwards in the middle, as if reaching for the sky! Bizarre. Penny, NY, zone 6 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]