Yes, Cheryl, I hear it all around me -- that after a mild and rainy long spring, and a dry summer, next winter is destined to be v-e-r-y cold and snowy. Today we had the first rain I have witnessed since before July 4th. It measured 2-1/2" in just about an hour, and after 46 years in this house, water entered thru the basement's building blocks. A great many of our streets and highways are completely closed. And we are promised another burst during the night. Guess we will have to camp downstairs tonight, so we can keep up with the mopping .... The summer's heat and drought cost us 10 mature shrubs, gone with the wind in spite of irrigation. It's so sad. I dug out 9 of them yesterday, and it was traumatic. There is still one ilex to remove which is so large that I didn't even try -- I'll need help. My hubby Jim said he wondered what the garbage man thought with our unique kind of trash out there every week. I said I didn't think he thought of thinking at all, and a job is just a job. Penny, NY zone 6 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]