In a message dated 8/24/98 6:41:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mlaute@micron.net writes: << ring of brown grass about 5 feet beyond the drip line >> I have this in two clients yards. The first time I saw it I thougt it was caused by a some little kid riding a bike in a circle around it. I do think the roots are very close to the surface because its grass. I have not found anything to help altho reseeding the spots minimizes it. Taree