Chris, our local garden nurseries are LOADED with new pansies -- until about 2 years ago, this was unheard of! Go see what you can find .... Or else make a day trip down to Connecticut, and I'm sure you'll find some there. What makes a "winter-hardy" pansy...? I am told something about the outer layer of the plant stems being -- wait, I'll ask again on Saturday, and let you know. I imagine that this cold-weather achievement was bred into it, much as the knockout colors which we find nowadays in autumn chrysanthemums. The hybridizers ended with plants which could only survive in the greenhouse over the winter, but they certainly did have brilliant coloration. The "winter-hardy" mums which are coming in now all have much more muted colors. Nevertheless, an occasional non-hardy mum does survive in-ground planting now, and come back the following spring -- I happen to have one, lucky me! I also gave a brilliant yellow showy mum to a friend last October which she stuck in the garage for the winter, actually watered it once a month during the winter and brought it out again in May, still in its original pot, and then planted the whole thing in the garden once again. It worked. The biggest joke of all was the year I planted a cluster of six gladiolus once a week for 8 weeks -- and the following year every single one had survived the snows and all came up at the same time! Live and learn.... Penny, NY zone 6 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]