Kay wrote: Pretty high in P and low in K compared to quite a few dry plant products, but a little high N, high K would balance that nicely. It's pretty difficult to shift pH very far from the native soil pH on a long term basis, but repeated applications can do it. How about a little lime? ----- I remember running across a recent publication that appeared to be saying that new research is showing that oak leaves, pine needles, etc. are not effective in shifting soil pH. I was surprised! Do you have any information on this? Catharine/Atlanta, zone 7b