Dear Kay, Thank you for the advice on cold stratification of the seeds of johnny jump ups. I removed the ivy by hand (yanking and pulling the roots). Took all summer. Then I used Round Up all summer long and into the fall on any new growth that I saw anywhere. I'm sure that I'm going to have to remain vigilant over the area this spring and summer to continue to nab the ivy that pokes up. I was thinking that the johnny jump ups would germinate and grow fast for a cute looking ground cover and help to prevent this area from eroding and/or turning into pancake since it is all bare now. Shaded, but bare it is. And give me some time to figure out what I'm "really" going to do with that area. I'm excited to be sending off my first ever soil sample to the County Extension agent for standard testing. I'm hoping to find the hillside out front with the southern exposure acidic enough to plant blueberries. My mantra is: no more mowing! Especially on that hillside. Carolyn Zone 7b Bethesda ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com