Oh, no, Allen -- both burgers and steaks we both prefer very blackened on the outside (from a hot fire). Jim likes it blue on the inside, while I prefer it pain old ordinary rare. Meanwhile, I guess that the outside could be called crunchy....... Penny, NY ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.